Starting in gear


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Starting in gear

Postby Sreyno » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:20 am



Morning all
I recently acquires a 98 goldwing (wish I would have gotten one long ago). Anyway, sometimes when parking on a slight incline I leave the bike in gear. It seems when I first bought it I could start in gear with the ckutch in so I wasn't fiddling with the gearshift to find neutral. Should the bike be able to be started in gear with the clutch in? If so, would would be the problem if it can't? Thanks for any assistance.
Steve in San Diego



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Re: Starting in gear

Postby robb » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:26 am

Only with the sidestand up.

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby Sreyno » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:30 am

Thanks robb. Apparently I have a problem - tried with sidestand up and will not turn over. Any suggestions?

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:31 am

Behind the pivot pin in the clutch lever is a small switch.It's the first thing to check.
The 2 wires can be temporarily shorted together and test the start again.
Mine quit when the large padded grips were installed, it kept the lever from making the switch click when pulled in.

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby robb » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:53 am

Sometimes when parked in downhill direction I will pull in clutch and allow to roll forward to ensure clutch is clearly disengaged.

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby RBGERSON » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:18 pm

+1 on what VM said..next jiggling the reverse level?? the side stand switch??? Of course if it works in neutral then the side stand not the issue.
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Re: Starting in gear

Postby Sreyno » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:46 pm

Thanks
Will check both

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:17 pm

The reverse lever is a common culprit, but I had that clutch switch fail on mine, with the exact same symptoms you're describing. I got a replacement through Cyclemax, I think it was $10-15 or so if I recall correctly.

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby Sreyno » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:34 pm

I checked the wires and fiddled with the reverse lever....I think you're right regarding the switch...
Thanks for the info!
Steve

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby Sempai » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:09 pm

There is yet another possible culprit. I'm not quite sure WHY this causes the no-crank issue, but this was the only problem I'd fixed when I was experiencing clutch problems and viola, the starter cranks while in gear, clutch pulled (it hadn't done that at all since I'd owned it, thought it was normal.) The floating linkage between the clutch master cylinder's piston and the lever's bushing burrows into the bushing, and on into the lever itself. Causing intermittent cruise control malfunction and sloppy clutching characteristics that worsen as that parts burrows deeper into the lever.
Keep the rubber side down.

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby Sreyno » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:27 pm

OK, I replaced the clutch switch and apparently that wasn't the problem.
Can you explain where the "floating Linkage" etc is, or if there is a doc available?
PITA to find neutral every time I need to start
THanks

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:30 am

Sreyno wrote:OK, I replaced the clutch switch and apparently that wasn't the problem.
Can you explain where the "floating Linkage" etc is, or if there is a doc available?
PITA to find neutral every time I need to start
THanks


Have a look at: How to replace your clutch lever bushing - it describes (with pictures) the problem and the solution.

That said, I suspect it's still going to be electrical for you, not mechanical.

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby Sempai » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:51 am

Sreyno wrote:OK, I replaced the clutch switch and apparently that wasn't the problem.
Can you explain where the "floating Linkage" etc is, or if there is a doc available?
PITA to find neutral every time I need to start
THanks

Here's another thread in which you'll see you neutral-finding issued described, and the fix...the clutch lever bushing.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12019
Keep the rubber side down.

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby bellboy40 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:48 pm

My riding buddy has a 2000 1500 that got where it wouldn't start in gear with clutch pulled in just as you described. We tested the switch and it was good. I jumpered the wires that connect to that switch and it started in gear fine. The problem was the flat area on the lever that contacts the switch did not push in the little button on the switch far enough for it to operate. He cut off a piece of stick-on wheel weight and put it on the flat area of the clutch lever that contacts the switch and now it works fine.

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Re: Starting in gear

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:32 am

bellboy40 wrote:My riding buddy has a 2000 1500 that got where it wouldn't start in gear with clutch pulled in just as you described. We tested the switch and it was good. I jumpered the wires that connect to that switch and it started in gear fine. The problem was the flat area on the lever that contacts the switch did not push in the little button on the switch far enough for it to operate. He cut off a piece of stick-on wheel weight and put it on the flat area of the clutch lever that contacts the switch and now it works fine.


You should check the condition of the bushing, as I mentioned previously. That can cause that problem, and putting a shim in there only masks the problem (for a little while).




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