Bank Angle Sensor


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Bank Angle Sensor

Postby godsen » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:54 pm



No question, just a comment.
Was having a problem with the engine quitting after hitting a bump or something. Reading some of the posts here from folks that were having a similar problem I decided to change out the bank angle sensor. Had a little trouble finding it- its under the seat on the throttle side, toward the back near the shock mount, facing toward the front of the bike. Only two small bolts and takes about 15 minutes to change out.

Too early in the season here to be out on the road yet, but I can tell you that when I took the old sensor out I coud clearly hear the pendulum rattling around inside. The unit was completely dry.
I fully expect that this is going to fix the problem.

Thanks once again for the good advice, folks!



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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby lappir » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:59 am

Could you post a photo? I have had some cutting out issues in a few sharp corners over the last few months. Thought it was my alternator/battery issue, but reading this I may have a sensor problem too. Thanks for posting.

Rod

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby godsen » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:13 pm

Here you go. I've had the new part for several months. It wasn't particularly expensive, but a little tough to source. There seemed to be some dispute/discrepency as to what the actual part number is so it took a little research, and then couldn't get one from Honda Canada... had to order out of the US. I was pretty pissed that this is a part known to fail and Honda Canada won't even stock them.
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The bottom end of the white straw on the left is sitting on top of the bank angle sensor.
The bottom end of the white straw on the left is sitting on top of the bank angle sensor.
You can just see the top of the sensor below and between the frame and the wiring harness.  The small gray wiring harness is from the bank angle sensor to a connection in the middle under the seat where the tail and trunk light connectors are.
You can just see the top of the sensor below and between the frame and the wiring harness. The small gray wiring harness is from the bank angle sensor to a connection in the middle under the seat where the tail and trunk light connectors are.
A couple of shots of the old part.
A couple of shots of the old part.

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby lappir » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:31 am

Thanks, looks like a pain in the but to remove. What happens if you just disconnect? I assume the circuit is completed with enough angle for the contacts to come together. removing the connection would prevent completion of the circuit. May try that as a test before attempting removal. Thanks a lot for the photos. I would have started looking lower from the photos of the earlier models.

Rod

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby bayoudave » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:47 am

Take it out and the bike won't start. You can wire around it but changing it takes all of 15 min. and the wire around takes half a day cause you have to take the trunk off to get to the wires. The last one I installed was only like $40.
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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby godsen » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:14 pm

Agreed. I don't know about the work-around but it really is only about 15 minutes to do. If you've got big beefy fingers it may be a little frustrating but otherwise not a big deal. I've done lots of things that were a great deal more difficult.

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby leondrew » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:23 am

I had an issue with bike cutting out. 1993 GL1500. Discovered one of the mounting screws had vibrated out allowing the sensor to drop out of level.. Replaced screw, no more problems.
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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby lappir » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:43 am

Glad I read this before attempting the bypass. Just got the alternator put back in (the second time) and it's charging so far. Was a busy week so I didn't have a chance to try and find the sensor.

Ok, decided to go out to find it before finishing the post. I can see the sensor but not where the wires go to be disconnected, for replacing. Will loosen it up and give it a shake. If it rattles it's probably bad?

Thanks again for posting.

Rod

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby godsen » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:50 am

Don't really know that, but its my assumption. The new one doesn't rattle, and I'm told there's supposed to be a fluid inside that dampens the movement of a pendulum. Apparently, there was an inherent defect in the original part that allowed them to dry out.

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby urbanmadness » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:26 pm

Yeah I have like 2 unexplained, engine going dead events. Once while I was in a turn in a parking lot. A little scary and it didn't even fire back up with a pop of the clutch. It did start right back up, however when I hit the starter switch. I'm thinking I need to order a new one. When I said, it went dead, I mean, as in someone shut off the emergency stop (I even checked it before restarting).

It was a bit scary. If that happened at the wrong time in a turn, it could be catastrophic.

I wonder if Honda still honors the recall. I figure, what the heck, I'm gonna go try... (first gonna check my wing for the X and if I don't find it, I'll have them run the VIN)

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby 702scottc » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:08 am

My bike hiccups like the way you are describing from time to time, where can you purchase a new sensor?

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:37 am

702scottc wrote:My bike hiccups like the way you are describing from time to time, where can you purchase a new sensor?



People sell them used on eBay for around $25. If you act quickly, someone on there is selling one new for $10:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/1819709513 ... ps&lpid=82

The part number is 06352-MAF-000.

If you miss the eBay deal, you can buy a new one from Cyclemax for $32: visit their OEM page at https://www.onlinemicrofiche.com/cyclem ... ewcart.asp and type the part number above in with a quantity of 1.

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:39 am

Here's another cheap new one, on Amazon - $19 with free shipping: http://www.amazon.com/Sensor-06352-MAF- ... ingdocs-20

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby urbanmadness » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:47 am

Just bought it.... thanks WingAdmin. Saved me for looking it up tonight when I got home. I happened to have Amazon open (I'm a purchasing agent by profession) and I was buying some date stamps for one of my customers, so.... I was already signed on. LOL

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby dingdong » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:15 am

The recall is for 1988 / 1993 gl1500 models.

http://www.goldwingworld.com/pages/sb6.pdf
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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby 702scottc » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:17 am

Thanks for the info Scott. I ordered the NOS sensor from the lister on eBay for $10 and $5 to ship. New for $15 isn't too bad. Can't hurt to swap it with a new one just in case, I won't put used electrical parts on anything if it can be avoided.

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby urbanmadness » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:25 am

dingdong wrote:The recall is for 1988 / 1993 gl1500 models.

http://www.goldwingworld.com/pages/sb6.pdf

Yeah. My 1500 is an 89

Still freaking raining here.... we have had only four days this month where it hasn't rained.... and the roads are really bad right now... lots of new pot holes, lots of sand and debris. Oh how I wish for a garage so I could at least work on the wing... it's sleeping under a cover.....

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby FM-USA » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:19 am

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Tilt angle sensor:
Is it possible to use a pinball machines Tilt Sensor?

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby FM-USA » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:28 am

Gotta love these sellers. Always using lines to entice a sale.
"Location:Shelf This is a very rare find"
So as I look more there's dozens of sensors for sale.
Maybe this guy is a little lax at looking for small parts? :?
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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby DarthJ » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:47 am

Going to go check for the X on my 93 Aspy. Haven't had any issues, so it's probably been done.


Edit: Yup, she's got the X. Kinda figured, since she's never had any issues there.
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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby robb » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:01 pm

dingdong wrote:The recall is for 1988 / 1993 gl1500 models.

http://www.goldwingworld.com/pages/sb6.pdf


Had similar issues with my 89, never had unit replaced under the recall. Took bike in but Honda would not swap now since it has not failed. Said they would replace for free when it goes bad, but that would mean taking in on trailer. I live an hour ride from dealer so it's not worth the fuss if parts are affordable.

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby urbanmadness » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:33 pm

I've already bought the part and I will be changing it. I was just wondering out loud whether they would honor a 20 year old recall notice.

Basically, I already know they don't have the part in stock (they never have vintage wing parts in stock), so I figure if I send it to them, they will have the bike for a week. No thanks, I'll just do it.

I've already gotten pissed at my local dealer for the your bikes too old thing when I had my '82. They wouldn't even change the front tire on it (I would understood for a major issue, but it was a front tire). They lost a customer other then a few misc parts, here and there. When it comes time to buy an 1800.... well, lets just say, I'm taking a hard look at a BMW when that time comes (The BMW dealer service department loves old bikes, and they would work on my 1100 and not care, I had them do the front tire on my gl1500, and they were very reasonable, they charged me for the tire and installation it it was 150bucks total (I have a ring of fire on it), they also only wanted 200 in labor to do the rear on my 1500, also reasonable and that included dealing with the hitch). I usually buy my tires from them. The BMW dealer has been so awesome to me, that I'll check out their used bikes before I'd go to Honda. Again, I will test drive the BMW or Triumph if I am ever in the market to upgrade. Just because of the dealer and how well they have treated me and my wing(s).

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby dingdong » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:23 am

robb wrote:
dingdong wrote:The recall is for 1988 / 1993 gl1500 models.

http://www.goldwingworld.com/pages/sb6.pdf


Had similar issues with my 89, never had unit replaced under the recall. Took bike in but Honda would not swap now since it has not failed. Said they would replace for free when it goes bad, but that would mean taking in on trailer. I live an hour ride from dealer so it's not worth the fuss if parts are affordable.


Refusing to replace the BAS until it fails sort of defeats the purpose and definition of a "recall". Your dealer didn't want to do it period even though he has to. Just me but I would be on the phone to Mother Honda just because.
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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby robb » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:39 am

Refusing to replace the BAS until it fails sort of defeats the purpose and definition of a "recall". Your dealer didn't want to do it period even though he has to. Just me but I would be on the phone to Mother Honda just because.



I did contact Honda and they were nice but sent me a nice letter and copy of NHTSA regulations.

Yes. There is a limitation based on the age of the vehicle. In order to be eligible for a free remedy, the vehicle cannot be more than 10 years old on the date the defect or noncompliance is determined. Under the law, the age of the vehicle is calculated from the date of sale to the first purchaser. For example, if a defect is found in 2003 and a recall ordered, manufacturers are required to make the correction available at no charge only for vehicles purchased new in 1994 through 2003. However, consumers should realize that even though manufacturers are not obligated to remedy safety defects in older cars, a safety problem might still exist. If you receive notification of a defect on a vehicle older than 10 years, take the responsibility to have your car repaired at your own expense – and eliminate unnecessary safety risks.

The dealer did say that since there is no replacement mark on the bike they would only do for free upon failure.

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Re: Bank Angle Sensor

Postby FM-USA » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:51 am

Recall limitation based on the age of the vehicle?
. . . Got a slight problem with this.

( Max Smart ) 'Ya, it's the old WHAT IF routine."
WHAT IF said recall was life threatening?
Should recalled part[s] be covered for the life of the vehicle not the life of the human? :o


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