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OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby bjatwood » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:05 am



OK, so I've had my 1998SE, 34,xxx miles, for a year now.
Did the winter maintenance to it, filters, new plugs, grease splines etc. Bike runs smooth and strong with 40+ MPG.
Thought the new plugs just might cure this 1 issue I have with this Wing. The bike has done this since I got it. When I have run the bike for a while 20+ minutes and stop go into a store for say 5 minutes come out and get on the bike, it hard starts. Like it will crank over very well but seems to take longer to start when warm than when it is cold. If the bike sits longer than a half hour it starts normal. Almost acts like it might be flooded. I do NOT use any throttle when trying to start it ever, cold or warm. What might I be looking at to fix this issue? Thanks



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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby bcassel » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:48 am

Are you shutting off the fuel pet **** when you short term park? If not, try that, it may resolve your issue.

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby bjatwood » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:55 am

Don't think that possible, as it's a 1500 and I am under the impression that the petcock does not have a lever control......Just a diaphram plunger style with a spring.

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:28 pm

That is a fact about the fuel shutoff....You might try one thing next time....After the drive,open the gas cap and relieve any pressure....Wait the appropriate time and see if it still is hard starting.

Just another thought...Does it have a fuel vapor canister?It may be bad.?
Searching for competent answers here.....not coming up with much....

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby cardinal » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:58 pm

Not a competent answer but a great story......
The lady tells her mechanic her car won't start when she buys pistachio ice cream. Starts just fine when she buys vanilla or chocolate, but has to crank for a while or even wait a few minutes to start it after she buys pistacheo. Never gives her trouble when she goes grocery shopping or filling up with gas. Mechanic is very professional and doesn't scoff at her and tries to make her feel like he is taking her serious. Asks a few questions as to how the car sounds when it turns over, any back firing ect ect ect. Finally ponders out loud "I wonder what is different about pistachio icecream?" She says "The only difference I know of is that I have to wait for them to pack it, vanilla and chocolate is already packed and I just grab it and go."

Turns out the minute or two extra to hand pack the pistachio gives the car time to heat up the fuel line just enough to cause a small vapor lock but not long enough to cool down and disolve the vapor lock. If the car didn't sit long enough to heat up the fuel line, like when she could just grab the icecream and go, no problem. Cranking and/or waiting gave the fuel line just enough time to cool.

What flavor ice cream you buyin' there Virgil?

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:01 pm

Jaguar..... :D
My favorite flavor.
It also had a potential vapor lock problem.It was addressed by cooling the fuel in the engine compartment with a AC intercooler.

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby ct1500 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:54 pm

bjatwood wrote:OK, so I've had my 1998SE, 34,xxx miles, for a year now.
Did the winter maintenance to it, filters, new plugs, grease splines etc. Bike runs smooth and strong with 40+ MPG.
Thought the new plugs just might cure this 1 issue I have with this Wing. The bike has done this since I got it. When I have run the bike for a while 20+ minutes and stop go into a store for say 5 minutes come out and get on the bike, it hard starts. Like it will crank over very well but seems to take longer to start when warm than when it is cold. If the bike sits longer than a half hour it starts normal. Almost acts like it might be flooded. I do NOT use any throttle when trying to start it ever, cold or warm. What might I be looking at to fix this issue? Thanks


Some things to try and narrow down the issue. What RPM does the bike currently idle at and has it ever had a carb sync. What were the plugs gapped at, What is the charging voltage at 2k RPM. Has the battery been load tested lately. Also check auto fuel valve to hold a good vacuum. Some items just for background info. Ever have any gasoline odor around bike. :idea:

With 40+ MPG do not think carbs flooding, if they were engine would not be running good and strong. Things to try that don't cost anything.

Try twisting throttle fully four times slowly (15 secs.) before starting. This will dump some extra fuel into engine via accelerator pump. Note any difference.

Give it some choke. Note any difference.

If you normally park on side stand, park on center stand level ground before turning key off. Note any difference.

Before shut down adjust idle down 100RPM. Note any difference.

Before shut down adjust idle up 100RPM. Note any difference.
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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby bjatwood » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:19 am

Bike currently idles at 7 to 800 rpms. Plug gap is spot on (new plugs). Battery is a YUSA less than a year old. And I have tried the center stand versus the side stand with no difference in starting. And most of the time I do put it up on the center stand. I think there is something to the pressure build up idea. As, it kindof acts like it's out of fuel. Do think that maybe as the pressure subsides and the fuel cools down the auto petcock might draw fuel back into the tank and out of the float bowls in the carbs? Bad fuel vapor cannister...perhaps? I'll try the relieve the pressure with the gas cap idea and see if that helps it..will report back in a couple days. As I will be logging some miles on this bike this weekend finally as the weather has gotten MUCHO better!

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby rrruuunnn » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:14 am

Mine did the same thing, only way to start was to twist throttle 1/4 way. also had small puddle of gas on ground. I replaced needle and seats and have not had anymore problems, Tim

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby ct1500 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:54 am

bjatwood wrote: As, it kindof acts like it's out of fuel. Do think that maybe as the pressure subsides and the fuel cools down the auto petcock might draw fuel back into the tank and out of the float bowls in the carbs?


Unlikely, a five minute shutdown is not long enough for anything to cool down. It is just the opposite getting hotter and is referred to as a "hot soak". The fuel system is designed to run at a pressure in the tank. Any kind of flooding on shutdown would have to force fuel past both the auto fuel valve and float needles which is not likely considering age, mileage and running condition.
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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby bjatwood » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:26 pm

Put 200+ miles on the Wing today for a Poker Run. Bike started like it was brand new everytime....I'm thinking the hard start might just have something to do with the 89 octane 10% ethanol on some fillups.... :twisted:

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby twostrokes48 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:38 pm

I think we have the worst junk gas on the planet here in TX....87 octane with 10% Eth.....Crappy mileage...I get 32-35 at best until I ride out of TX and burn out the junk gas. But all that said, I have never had a starting problem with any of my wings due to the gas.

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby bjatwood » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:09 am

I do not know what the issue is then. As since I have posted this question the bike has not hard started one time! I give up... :lol:

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby twostrokes48 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:43 am

Well,
Look at it this way. Goldwingdocs has become so good that now all you have to do is post a problem and it just fixes itself.....Makes it a lot easier than having to actually work on the bike don't you think??

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby Mag » Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:46 pm

twostrokes48 wrote:Goldwingdocs has become so good that now all you have to do is post a problem and it just fixes itself.....



Hmmm, Goldwingdocs = Chuck Norris?? Just thinking!

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby Wingsconsin » Wed May 01, 2013 4:38 pm

bjatwood wrote:I do not know what the issue is then. As since I have posted this question the bike has not hard started one time! I give up... :lol:


I sometimes truely believe that a lot of problems with these bikes are a lack of daily use...
We don't ride them everyday- especially in the midewest and northern climates and these bike fare better when started and ridden every day. My bike starts flawlessly every day when I am out on a trip..becasue the day before I rode it 600 miles...and the day before that too...and the day after as well...

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Re: OK Goldwing Experts.....Question

Postby WA9FWT » Sun May 05, 2013 12:29 pm

Wingsconsin wrote:
bjatwood wrote:I do not know what the issue is then. As since I have posted this question the bike has not hard started one time! I give up... :lol:


I sometimes truely believe that a lot of problems with these bikes are a lack of daily use...
We don't ride them everyday- especially in the midewest and northern climates and these bike fare better when started and ridden every day. My bike starts flawlessly every day when I am out on a trip..becasue the day before I rode it 600 miles...and the day before that too...and the day after as well...

Ride OFTEN - Ride HARD - Ride SAFE :ugeek:


I sure agree, living in WI too. But then again it could be the type of Ice-Cream you buy ? :lol:

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