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New front speakers?

Postby sm0ikr » Thu May 02, 2013 3:34 pm



I am thinking of changing my front speaker to a pair of J&M's.
Will i notice a better sound and is it worth it? My speakers are working OK i think.
I just want a little better sound crousing around. ;-)

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ct1500 » Thu May 02, 2013 4:52 pm

From other forums J&M are no better than OEM.

For an upgrade use the Polk DB-501.
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby wingpilot08 » Fri May 03, 2013 6:59 am

+1 on the Polks!! Great speaker and waterproof..not just resistant!!
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby sm0ikr » Fri May 03, 2013 11:48 am

This is the kind of info i was after.
New to this bike and Goldwings but not new to biking. ;)
keep it comming.....

Finaly winter is over and the Wing is on the road again although ice and snow is still present alongside the roads partially.

Happy riding
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby Fiberthree » Sat May 04, 2013 12:15 pm

I was thinking about changing mine, too. How about the rear speakers? I was told the 1500's were different from the front where as the 1800 used the same speakers on all four corners.
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ct1500 » Sat May 04, 2013 1:00 pm

Polk DB 401 for the rears.
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby Fiberthree » Sun May 05, 2013 8:05 pm

Thanks. I'll check them out.
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby Dennis613l » Thu May 09, 2013 2:58 pm

You can actually squeeze a dB501 speaker onto the opening by trimming the metal frame top & bottom.
Got to use snips of course, don't metal grindings getting into it.
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby drebudrebu » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:49 pm

I just did Polk 401s front and rear and a fader control. On the front speakers I had to cut the holes out to the ends and the washers were big enough to hold them into place. The rears matched up perfectly. I went from 20 or 30 w output to 120 watts but the radio doesn't seem to have enough output to really crank up the volume. Is there a way to boost the sound output?

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ct1500 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:51 pm

The 1500 does not have a powerful amp in the radio, for that you need to go external.
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby paid4vr » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:42 pm

Maybe this is a silly question, but I am ready to replace the front speakers (buzzing with any bass) and saw the recommendation for the Polk db501 which I looked up. It's a 5" speaker, where everyone else was talking about using 4" speakers. Naturally, a bigger speaker can potentially mean better bass, so I wanted to know if the 5" would truly fit before I order some.

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby wingpilot08 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:23 pm

paid4vr wrote:Maybe this is a silly question, but I am ready to replace the front speakers (buzzing with any bass) and saw the recommendation for the Polk db501 which I looked up. It's a 5" speaker, where everyone else was talking about using 4" speakers. Naturally, a bigger speaker can potentially mean better bass, so I wanted to know if the 5" would truly fit before I order some.


I used the DB401's up front and if I remember correctly..they "just" fit!! Don't think the 501's would fit...but hopefully someone else will chime in!!
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ratherberiding » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:38 pm

Re: Size of the Polk DB 501 speakers>>>> While several people have recommended the 501 to use in the GL1500's for the front speakers, there seems to be some confusion on Polk's part about how big an inch is, as they are actually a lot smaller than the OEM speakers that came with the bike. The only way I could come up with any 5" measurement is diagonally tip to tip on the FRAME of the speaker not the cone size.

I ordered these thinking it odd that someone said you would have to cut the screw slots, but now this makes perfect sense, as the speakers are too small for the opening not too large. Below are measurements on the original speakers and Polk's showing the moving cone size excluding the frames. The original speaker has a moving cone size of only about 3-7/8" yet everyone calls that a 4-1/2" speaker (!?) The DB 501's have a moving cone size of only 3-1/2" !!! To me all of that is screwy and misleading.

To me, the DB501's appeared to be of much better quality looks wise, and had the originals beat with high freq response, but the bass still sucked and I had to crank the volume up all the way to find what I would call a "normal" level and that was in a quiet garage.

I also noticed that the Honda engineers apparently derived some of the bass response from having the speakers mounted to the plastic housing of the fairing, as there was more bass when I pushed the speakers against it. Problem is, I ordered foam speaker baffles to fit behind them, which are going to be loose due to the smaller size of the speakers, and will kill any resonance in the fairing. That on a recommendation by another Goldwing owner that said that air pressure at speed will diminish the sound even further.

Starting to sound like the headset is a better idea rather than to keep fighting with the speakers.....

It's off to Wally World to see about the other Scosche speakers, and see if they fit/sound any better. They're 1/3 the price, and also appear to be weatherproof, since they have a "Injection molded polypropylene cone".

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby MikeB » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:06 am

Good information ratherberiding. Thank you.
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ratherberiding » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:11 pm

You're welcome. We're all in these battles together, LOL. I also found some speakers that are made by Kenwood, and which Best Buy currently has on sale, that have a bass response that seems to be better than the other 4-5" speakers out there:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/kenwood-roa ... &cp=1&lp=4

Walmart was out of the 4" Scosche speakers, and the 5.25" versions looked too large. I just wish there was some standardization between frame sizes and cone sizes and centerline dimensions on screw holes. We already have our hands full trying to find a 3 ohm anything, with the weird sizing and spacing of the Honda/Clarion stock speakers, and something that will "handle" the miniscule 20 watts of the humongous Honda CB/IC intertwined mega radio system.

I have half a mind to rip the whole thing out, get a detachable faceplate MP3 receiver that cranks out about 100w per channel, and thus will properly power *most* speakers, or ditch the speakers and the radio idea altogether, and just use my smartphone directly with a helmet mounted bluetooth headset that is made with small speakers not ear plugs. I could then run a separate small chassis CB if I ever wanted to. Someone somewhere also probably already makes a bluetooth intercom system for bikes that integrates all of these functions into one device. I would love to find that, and find it to also be affordable.

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ratherberiding » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:08 pm

After trying the DB501's and finding the bass response flat and volume low, I was unimpressed, despite how others raved about them. I went to Best Buy and picked up a pair of the Kenwood KFC1065R PP cone speakers that showed to have a more impressive lower threshold on bass response. WOW is all I can say. IMO Twice the bass and sound quality in general as the "pretty" DB 501's at HALF the price on sale for $32 a pair.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/kenwood-roa ... &cp=1&lp=4

For that amount I was able (and did) go back and bought another set for the rear. Fitment was the same as the 501's and still had to nip out the screw holes, but they fit the opening with room to spare, allowing me to also install the foam baffles I wanted to put behind them to seal out wind pressure, moisture and dust. Once tightened down the sound was superb. MUCH more volume and bass than the 501's, in fact had to turn the volume on the Wing DOWN a little, as opposed to it barely being "average" volume when turned up all the way with the 501's. I guess we'll see what kind of longevity they have.... although because of my health, my wing will see a lot of garage time.

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby Davek80514 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:09 am

How do we add a decent amplifier to the 1500 system?
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ratherberiding » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:17 am

There are many inexpensive, after-market amps that people have added, usually installing them in the trunks, and I myself am looking into that as an option, but with bluetooth and integrated headset/intercom/amp/mp3 player devices and smartphones, it becomes a question of how much lipstick to put on the pig. No matter how you spruce it up, you are still limited to about 4" speakers, and I don't see a bass rumbling coming with that, unless you put a subwoofer in the trunk. Is it worth it? Only you can decide. My '88's sound system for the huge size of it, isn't that impressive other than the integration with the CB radio that I don't have, LOL. Most of the time I ride solo, so the intercom would only allow me to talk to my other personalities. :o

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby Davek80514 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:44 am

ratherberiding wrote:Most of the time I ride solo, so the intercom would only allow me to talk to my other personalities. :o


I understand how you feel. I try not to listen to the voices in my head, but damn, sometimes they come up with some really neat ideas. :lol:
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ratherberiding » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:25 am

Some of my best ideas come from my "friends" if you know what I mean.....

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:10 pm

The bass portion of the audio spectrum moves a fair bit of air. If the speaker is not sealed tightly to the baffle on which it is mounted, instead of the air vibrations projecting outward from the speaker, they instead just wrap around the edge of the speaker. The result is lack of bass. You need a solid, air-proof seal between the speaker and whatever it is mounted to (the baffle) or else the bass output will be anemic and weak.

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ratherberiding » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:26 pm

Agreed for sure. I installed the speakers with foam baffles and it made a LOT of difference. I had a problem with the DB501's because the speaker frame left gaps on the straightaways all around and only sealed in the corners. The Kenwoods sealed all the way around. Much better.

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby Davek80514 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:46 am

ratherberiding wrote:After trying the DB501's and finding the bass response flat and volume low, I was unimpressed, despite how others raved about them. I went to Best Buy and picked up a pair of the Kenwood KFC1065R PP cone speakers that showed to have a more impressive lower threshold on bass response. WOW is all I can say. IMO Twice the bass and sound quality in general as the "pretty" DB 501's at HALF the price on sale for $32 a pair.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/kenwood-roa ... &cp=1&lp=4

For that amount I was able (and did) go back and bought another set for the rear. Fitment was the same as the 501's and still had to nip out the screw holes, but they fit the opening with room to spare, allowing me to also install the foam baffles I wanted to put behind them to seal out wind pressure, moisture and dust. Once tightened down the sound was superb. MUCH more volume and bass than the 501's, in fact had to turn the volume on the Wing DOWN a little, as opposed to it barely being "average" volume when turned up all the way with the 501's. I guess we'll see what kind of longevity they have.... although because of my health, my wing will see a lot of garage time.


What foam baffles did you use for the front speakers?
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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ratherberiding » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:56 pm

I used these DEI baffles from Amazon for a whopping $12. I could have probably dug around and found some cheaper, but didn't want to spend the time. These are fairly thick, stout foam baffles, so the standard screws that come in the speaker frames were hard to get seated, so I took them to Ace, matched them up and got some about a quarter inch longer, and some small fender washers to help suck down the speakers. There is a heck of a difference with the baffles. 8-)

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Re: New front speakers?

Postby ratherberiding » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:56 pm

I'm an idiot. Here's the link I forgot to post:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039Y ... UTF8&psc=1




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