1500 Dies putting it in gear


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1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby dbaumer » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:56 pm



I need some help hoping someone can help me.

I have a 1989 GL1500 that I am having problems with.

This morning i jumped on the bike to take a ride. I started it in neutral everything was fine. Shift to first it died. put it back in neutral and started it again. shifted to 1st died. again moved it to neutral and shift to second died.

Started it in neutral and pulled the revers lever up didn't recognize that reverse should be active. Tried shifting and couldn't shift to first or second so the MEC. knows its in neutral but the sensors don't.

I do get the neutral light on the dash. I have checked the kick stand switch. i even unplugged the kick stand switch. and it is not an issue. I had the bike on the center stand and the kick stand up, light was out. I have checked the clutch fluid level and it is full.

I tested power to the gear control sensor each connection gets power and it working.

Any help would be greatly appropriated.



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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:56 am

I think,like the reverse switch that's connected to the lever,the switches have a normally open and a normally closed position.When the switch is operated,power is diverted to the third wire.

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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby redial » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:40 pm

This could be a solution that you might like to look at:


How to replace your clutch lever bushing • GL1500 DIY Articles ...
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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby ct1500 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:38 pm

With it in gear and clutch pulled in and side stand up it should start right up. Do this on center stand with rear wheel off ground. And if it starts apply the foot brake hard and see what happens.

If it does start I am with above about bushing or clutch hydraulics issue.

Just because it is full of fluid doesn't mean it is working properly.
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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby Sempai » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:19 pm

The problem you've described stinks of the clutch lever pushrod bushing. Have a quick read:

I have seen this problem on several Goldwings throughout the different generations. I've attached a picture to help explain what is happening.
What is happening: The pushrod that actuates the master cylinder, by design, just floats in the space between the cylinder's plunger and a bushing which resides within the actual clutch lever. This pushrod is known for pushing its way through the bushing. Early symptoms include the extra play in the lever before engaging the cylinder's plunger, and the annoying, arbitrary canceling of the cruise control (or complete failure to engage the C.C.) If left to take its own course, the pushrod will eventually push its way completely through the bushing and continue on through the lever itself. Later symptoms include the clutch lever feeling 'loose,' the clutch lever failing to disengage the clutch completely, and worse, the friction point degrading towards the end of the clutch lever travel...that is to say, you pull the lever and you don't feel the clutch working until the lever is pulled almost all the way, releasing the lever has the clutch fully engaged very quickly upon release of the lever. Essentially speaking, when you pull the clutch lever, the first 80% of lever travel just gets the pushrod to engage the plunger, clutch activity is only in the last 20% or so of the lever's travel. Inversely, when you release the lever, the clutch is fully engaged in the first 20% of lever travel. Finally, lol, just before the pushrod finally breaks through the far side of the LEVER (as you can see in the attached photograph,) the pushrod is just too far from fully engaging the clutch, symptoms being the increased difficulty in finding neutral with the engine running, the bike lurching while stopped, in gear, clutch fully pulled...at this time, you might think about getting a new clutch lever, bushing, and pushrod, about $35 from the dealership, you can reuse the O-ring from the old pushrod.


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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:17 pm

dbaumer wrote:I need some help hoping someone can help me.
Started it in neutral and pulled the revers lever up didn't recognize that reverse should be active. Tried shifting and couldn't shift to first or second so the MEC. knows its in neutral but the sensors don't..


The clutch lever may very well be worn like shown,however,it would not only affect the "clutch"..... the bike may not start in gear while pulling in the clutch lever,and will jerk the bike and kill the engine.Kinda like a stuck clutch.
Also it would affect the cruise control activation.
These switches are activated by the position of the clutch lever...

Now...There is no trouble starting the bike...IF it dies as soon as it's put in gear and does not jerk the bike..then....
A safety feature of the "side stand down"switch.
If the switch is bad,unplugging it will not solve the problem.It must conduct the ECM control wire to ground to keep the ignition running while in gear.

You should be able to lift the side stand,put it in first gear,pull in the clutch handle and crank the bike...

The reverse switch next to the lever is the same design...It switches power from one leg to another...

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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby Sempai » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:37 pm

virgilmobile wrote:
dbaumer wrote:You should be able to lift the side stand,put it in first gear,pull in the clutch handle and crank the bike...
sw.JPG


This being said, I feel I need to mention that for a coupla years, I'd assumed that my 1500SE simply would not start while it was in gear, regardless of clutch lever being pulled in. After replacing the pushrod bushing...violla, she would start even in gear, so long as I pulled the clutch. Go figure.
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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby ct1500 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:40 pm

dbaumer wrote: I had the bike on the center stand and the kick stand up, light was out. I have checked the clutch fluid level and it is full.

Any help would be greatly appropriated.


A lot of info about what was done in the original post but never any mention if side stand light works when stand DOWN or if reverse light WORKS which is all tied in. :?:
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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:46 pm

First post..neutral lamp lights OK.Reverse lamp does not light.Side Stand switch not confirmed if it is grounding the ECM module or proper volts on each wire of the reverse switch.

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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby mustangbtr » Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:12 am

If you're engine dies when you put the bike into gear this problem actually happened to me.
I found the problem was caused by the kickstand spring being two-week and it was not pulling the kickstand all the way up into its rest position I had to replace the spring I also understand that on occasion the kickstand switch does fail make sure your kickstand goes all the way up and stage type of this helps
I am sorry but your kickstand switch works in the same manner as the kill switch it has to allow the current to flow all the way through the system for the engine to run by unplugging the switch you actually interrupt the flow of the current.
I would advise you to take a multimeter and test your kickstand switch in the up or and down positions should have continuity only when the kickstand is up if there is continuity with the kickstand is down the switch is faulty the only other possibility is your reverse neutral safety switch to test this you must remove this panel reverse lever and expose Bell crank you will see a large metal detent spring with the key on in the engine not running push that if your reverse light comes on it's working properly if your neutral light comes on it is probably bent you can try straightening it out or replacing I hope this helps
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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby robb » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:15 am

Have you checked the fluid level in clutch reservoir, if low the clutch is fully engaged and will kill bike once put in gear. All else on bike will appear to work as normal.

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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby broon452 » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:21 am

I have the exact same problem on my 1988 1500 and have replaced the levers, bush and done the master and slave cylinder rebuild but still no further forward??
Side stand light is on when down and off when up yet as soon as i press the gear lever to select 1st gear the engine dies??

When it was working it would make all sorts of crunching of gears before it would go into 1st gear yet when running was perfect in all other gears.

Am sure it is something simple and someone must have resolved the same problem so come on guys whats the answer?? :?

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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby robb » Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:57 pm

Bleed the clutch and top off fluid.

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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby broon452 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:33 am

I think I have the answer.
I unbolt ed the Sidestrand switch from the frame and found I could get into gear ok but when I reconnected to the frame the problem returned. So it seems pretty obvious that there is something wrong with the inside of the switch. I plan to dismantle the ßwitch and look at the working parts to see if I can identify the issue but in the mean time I have unbolt ed the switch and tucked it up out of the way behind the front panel. I just need to remember that every time I move off to check the stand is up as now I don't have the indicator light to tell me it is down :D

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Re: 1500 Dies putting it in gear

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:08 am

Here's the picture of the switch.
It does have 3 wires.One is a common ground.Just because one half does light the indicator doesn't mean that the other half is working.




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