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Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:52 am



I have a set of Avon Venoms on my 1500. With little more than 4000 miles on the tires, the rear is more than half worn while the front hardly shows any wear. As a result, I am not pleased with the Venom rear tires wear at all. I know I am opening a 'can of worms' here, but I need to get some opinions on tires as to what has the best wear with the best handling characteristics. I am planning a 10k mile trip next year and don't want to have to change tires in the middle of it.


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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby Dusty Boots » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:00 pm

For a MC tire, try either the Dunlop Elite 3, (a little longer tire life of the 2, but can get a bit noisy after 5k due to the start of cupping) or the Dunlop K177 (quieter tire but not quite as long lasting) and run either at 43 PSI



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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby dingdong » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:31 am

??? I suggest you may have a problem with your bike or perhaps the balance or pressure wasn't correct. I have a set of Venoms with 6 k miles and there is no wear or cupping showing at all. What pressures are you running? I have mine at 50 pounds (max pressure for the rear Venom and recommended by the manufacturer). when riding 2 up with trailer and 48 solo.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:09 am

I have the tire pressure at 42 lbs cold which is what the manufacturer recommends and it stamped on the tire. There isn't any sign of cupping. I ride single and don't pull a trailer.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby minimac » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:00 pm

I don't want to start anything, but I have better than 13K on my Austone year and it's not even 1/2 worn. It's not for everybody, but I have been well pleased with mine. It rides well with a bias as well as a radial front tire.

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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby dingdong » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:06 pm

bstig60 wrote:I have the tire pressure at 42 lbs cold which is what the manufacturer recommends and it stamped on the tire. There isn't any sign of cupping. I ride single and don't pull a trailer.


That is strange if yours is stamped with 42psi. My Avon Venom rear is stamped 50psi cold and I e-mailed the manufacturer to check because I was unsure if that was correct. Are you sure yours is a Venom and not the Avon Sport/Sport Touring? Either way that much wear is excessive and there has to be a reason. At this point I guess it doesn't matter as the damage is done. I think I would be looking for a reason for the excessive wear before I spent money on new rubber that might end up doing the same thing. JMHO. Yes the E3s are probably the longest lasting tire out there. I pulled two sets early because I just hated the noise and cupping.

Here is a pressure chart for these tires.

http://www.avonmoto.com/tech/tire-pressure-guidelines
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby cbx4evr » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:53 pm

Dusty Boots wrote:For a MC tire, try either the Dunlop Elite 3, (a little longer tire life of the 2, but can get a bit noisy after 5k due to the start of cupping) or the Dunlop K177 (quieter tire but not quite as long lasting) and run either at 43 PSI

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I too am running Venoms and so far I like them. I don't think I'll get the same wear though as I did on the previous E3. I got 33,000 km out of it. The noise drove me crazy though. The Venoms are quiet IMO.

Curious about the Dunlop K177. What kind of wear can one expect out of them? I may try them next but they are more money than the Venom and the E3.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:40 am

My front tire is an Avon venom, I assumed my rear tire was the same..... It is not! The rear is an Avon AZARO ll AV36 in 160/80ZR16 which tells me it is probably a radial and is a sport bike tire. Soft rubber, no wonder it is wearing so fast....... So it seems I am running a radial in the rear and a bias ply in the front...... ??????? The rear is stamped 42 lbs cold and the front is stamped 41 lbs cold.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:45 pm

bstig60 wrote:My front tire is an Avon venom, I assumed my rear tire was the same..... It is not! The rear is an Avon AZARO ll AV36 in 160/80ZR16 which tells me it is probably a radial and is a sport bike tire. Soft rubber, no wonder it is wearing so fast....... So it seems I am running a radial in the rear and a bias ply in the front...... ??????? The rear is stamped 42 lbs cold and the front is stamped 41 lbs cold.


Yep, that would explain it, for sure!

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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby dingdong » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:13 am

I just knew there was another reason for the short life. Glad you found it.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:16 am

The tire has probably got another couple of thousand miles left in it, so I will have to plan a trip to finish it off and then look for the best price on an Avon Venom to match my front tire. So far, Amazon has one for $172 and MC Superstore will match it. Since you guys speak so highly of this tire. I will try one on the rear and see how it does. I still find it painful to pay that much for a tire.....
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby waituntilthebeep » Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:37 pm

bstig60 wrote:I still find it painful to pay that much for a tire.....

That is why some have gone to "the dark side".

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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:22 pm

I just can't see running a car tire on a bike. My life rides on that tire so I really don't want to take any risks.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby dingdong » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:26 am

bstig60 wrote:I just can't see running a car tire on a bike. My life rides on that tire so I really don't want to take any risks.


Not to be disrespectful but you're riding with a sport bike tire that is probably far under rated for the weight of a 1500.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:15 am

No offense taken.... The load rating on the tire I have is 864 lbs at 42 PSI cold. I think that is adequate for a GL 1500. I don't know what the load rating is on the Venom rear tire, but I suspect it is similar. I am going to check and find out before I buy. I am also reading good things about the Kenda Kruz tire at nearly half the price..... Any thoughts?
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby cbx4evr » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:47 am

If I recall the load rating on the Venom rear is around 1020#. It is the highest rated tire for the GW.

The Kenda Cruz is rated for 855#.

I haven't considered the Kenda because I don't know of anyone that has used one. I have heard of issues with it when pulling a trailer, which I don't do, and issues around wet traction. Before I buy them I need to hear some real world reports from someone who has used them on a Wing. I won't buy just because they are low priced.

You should get one and let us know the results.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:03 am

I did a little research and the Kenda Kruz is rated at 850 lbs and the Avon Venom is rated at 1020 lbs.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby Bigbiker0 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:58 pm

On my Venture I have 2 0ichelin Commander II and after 18,000 Km, no wear show on rear tire.I tried to get 2 for my Gw but the rear size is backorder until end of september, I did love those tires and the next will be Michelin right now I am on Metzeller and they wear very fast.
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:05 pm

In doing a little more research and making a closer check of my front tire, I find the front tire is a AM41 Venom R radial load range 63, which is an 1800 front tire. That explains why I had the Azaro II radial on the rear which is load range 75. Avon does not make a 160/80R16, only a Bias ply in that size. Question: I have read I shouldn't run a bias ply tire on the rear with a radial on the front........ Is this true?
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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby Wingsconsin » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:25 pm

You can run radial and bias on seperate axles ...but the 1500 was meant to run bias ply ....

Many mix them when they run a car tire rear ...darksiders break all the "rules"...

I would be more worried about the load ratings being too low and risking a catastrophic failure...

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Re: Tire Wear/Recommendations

Postby bstig60 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:46 pm

The tires that are on the GW meet the requirements set forth in the owners manual for my bike. So I don't think that is an issue. Since the Azaro that is on the rear is nearly worn out and the front shows very little wear, I would like to add a bias tire to the rear and replace the front when it is sufficiently worn. Choice is to do that or locate another Azaro or equivalent radial to replace the rear and hope I can get some decent mileage out of it and then replace both tires with bias ply tires. I don't want to replace both right now if I can avoid it. As long as I can run a bias on the back with the radial on the front and not have any handling issues, I am OK with that.,, I am looking to gather all the information I can before I have to make the decision. If I have to replace both now, I will probably go with Kenda Kruz tires due to the cost. They meet the load requirements and I always ride single anyway.


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