Won't start unless in Nuetral


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Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:13 pm



Is there any way to override the problem with having to put it in N everytime I want to start it. I have always been able to start my other bikes in gear but not the GW. It's frustrating enough when you stall it at an intersection, but then to add insult to injury, you have to find N, and sometimes this is hard to do with cars honking at you. For some reason I have had the bike just turn off when I slow down and pull in the clutch at an intersection. It always fires right back up, after finding N. I am new to the Goldwings. Still getting to know her. Thanks guys. Love all the input and how to's on this site. Much better than other sites I have visited. Everyone is very helpfull and don't look down their nose at you for not knowing everything about the Wing's.



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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby robb » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:37 pm

The engine cannot be started if the side stand is down, unless the transmission is in neutral. If the side stand is up, the engine can be started in neutral or in gear with clutch disengaged.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby ct1500 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:45 pm

There are two micro switches at clutch lever, one set clicks just as lever pulled to disengage cruise control and the other set of clicks is heard when lever pulled all the way in to allow starting in gear. After market levers/grips might interfere with the second set heard or other wiring problems. Does the side stand light work.
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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:52 pm

Not mine. Just tried it. Have bike on center stand and put it in gear. Turned on ignition, and nothing. Only from Neutral. I don't understand what you mean when you say the engine can be started in neutral or in gear with clutch DISENGAGED? No bike will start with the clutch disengaged if its in gear. Not mine anyway. LOL. Yes the side stand light works.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby ct1500 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:00 pm

You got a problem to fix. All 1500's can be started in gear with side stand up and clutch lever pulled in.
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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:05 pm

I heard the first click when I pulled the clutch in. I pulled it all the way in and never heard the second click. I have aftermarket grips that were on the bike when I bought it. I pulled in hard against the grip and I did hear a second click, but still would not start in gear. Can these switches be adjusted so that they will work without having to pull the clutch so far in? Are these micro switches special order from Honda or are they like all other micro switches. I can easily get micro switches.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby ct1500 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:11 pm

Nothing on a 1500 is like anything else. :D

You will have to get in there and confirm switch operation and wiring colors.
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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:35 pm

Thanks for the info guys. I was able to remove the aftermarket grip and I can hear the switch closing when I pull in the clutch. I guess the switch is bad. I can hear the clicking but still won't start in gear. Put it in gear, pull clutch, hear switch, but nothing. Guess I will just have to figure out how to get it apart and check/replace the switch. Thanks again.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby robb » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:44 pm

I have this problem sometime myself, kind of hit and miss. Honda dealer checked and said it was OK until it dies when in neutral and side stand is put down. Kind of like my original bank angle sensor that checks OK until I ride on a gravel road.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby m2102 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:54 pm

their is a brass bushing that the clutch cable hooks on that if it gets wore out enough it mite prevent the clutch from fully engaging to activate the switch. mine wont start in gear either , I just haven't taken lever off to check the bushing. cyclemax has the bushings on the cheap and fast shipping. I would think that if you can hear the click mite not mean it is the switch. the bushing would be the cheaper to check first

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby artgrantz » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:09 am

Have you tried cleaning the switch? The brake switch on my 1800 has a drain hole on the bottom that is large enough to insert the wand from a spray can. I blast it with WD-40 and it works instantly. If your clutch switch has a drain hole you could try that.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby m2102 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:42 am

thanks artgrantz, i'll have to look and see

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:22 am

I had the exact same thing happen to my 2000 SE. The clutch switch went bad, you could hear it click, but it would still not start in gear.

The replacement switch is $11 from Cyclemax: http://partsfinder.onlinemicrofiche.com ... R-CYLINDER

There are two switches - one that disconnects the cruise (that's the one you hear click first when you squeeze the clutch lever) and one that lets you start in gear (that's the one that you hear click when you squeeze the lever all the way in). The one you want is the second one, item #6 on the page above, part number 35330-MB0-003.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby m2102 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:13 pm

mite have to make it a maybe to cold to ride project this winter

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:54 pm

Thanks guys. And M2102, is it that hard to replace. It looks like a screw holding the switches in place on the bottom side. I am starting to get a lot of winter projects. LOL

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby m2102 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:00 pm

No not really. First time doing the tear apart is hardest because not used to it. When you get it done you'll think that wasn't so bad

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:02 pm

Hey, WingAdmin. Before I order the part through cyclemax, what is the other switch that is right under it in the drawing? Is that the cruise switch? It says number 7 on the drawing.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby m2102 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:18 pm

I'll jump i. Yes it's for disengaging cruise with clutch grip.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:25 pm

He's right. That switch is the first "click" you hear when first squeezing the clutch lever, and it's the cruise disconnect switch.

It's a single screw and two connectors, shouldn't take you more than fifteen minutes to swap out a new switch.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:30 pm

Thanks guys. Always helpfull.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Sempai » Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:21 am

Hey Maddog...this may be of interest to you:

There is yet another possible culprit. I'm not quite sure WHY this causes the no-crank issue, but this was the only problem I'd fixed when I was experiencing clutch problems and viola, the starter cranks while in gear, clutch pulled (it hadn't done that at all since I'd owned it, thought it was normal.) The floating linkage between the clutch master cylinder's piston and the lever's bushing burrows into the bushing, and on into the lever itself. Causing intermittent cruise control malfunction and sloppy clutching characteristics that worsen as that parts burrows deeper into the lever.

Read more: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15350&p=79591#p79591#ixzz2htWGjnNa
You can see the first tell-tale sign in this picture, the hole in which the bushing lives...isn't quite round. This lever also shows the wear has gone to the extreme as the pushrod itself has pushed its way THROUGH the lever itself!
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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:25 am

Thanks, Sempai. I will look at that

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:22 pm

Sempai wrote:Hey Maddog...this may be of interest to you:

There is yet another possible culprit. I'm not quite sure WHY this causes the no-crank issue, but this was the only problem I'd fixed when I was experiencing clutch problems and viola, the starter cranks while in gear, clutch pulled (it hadn't done that at all since I'd owned it, thought it was normal.) The floating linkage between the clutch master cylinder's piston and the lever's bushing burrows into the bushing, and on into the lever itself. Causing intermittent cruise control malfunction and sloppy clutching characteristics that worsen as that parts burrows deeper into the lever.


That's correct - you can see lots of pictures and the replacement procedure here: How to replace your clutch lever bushing

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby peppilepew » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:08 pm

I installed aftermarket grips and had the same problem you describe. Mine was solved by hogging out the mounting screw hole and removing some material from the alignment tab to bring the switch closer. Your problem might be a broken wire under the shelter cover or a bad switch. Try shorting the contacts somehow and see if it starts in gear.

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Re: Won't start unless in Nuetral

Postby Maddogg » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:40 pm

Ok, guys. Problem solved. It was the switch. I ordered on from cyclemax, along with the clutch bushing. I installed the new switch and bike started in gear. Replaced the clutch bushing even though it didn't look like it had any wear. Will hold onto the old bushing just in case I ever need it. Thanks for all the help. That's why I love this site. Everyone wants to help and is very knowledgable.




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