Rear axle washers?


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Rear axle washers?

Postby Melloreel » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:24 pm



Hey guys! Just bought a 92 aspencade with 43000 miles on the clock. I do all my own work so I will have many questions I'm sure as I remodel the old girl. " previous owner let her sit for 8 years "
I removed the rear wheel for tire replacement trying to pay attention to washers on axle as indicated on the forum write up, however I removed it by myself. TWO washers fell out. One large and one smaller? The forum pics only show one?
I can't find any info on second washer which is gold colored like metric bolt? The only way to line up caliper frame was to put both washers on the outside of the holder, then spacer in tire? Now there is a gap of about 1/16 or so between swing arm and first washer? Is that normal?
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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Dusty Boots » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:42 pm

The large washer fits between the swing arm and the caliper mounting bracket,

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then the collar/spacer fits between the caliper mounting bracket and the rim's hub

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It's all explained here.
Yes, there is going to be a bit of a gap, until you tighten it all up

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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Fatwing Chris » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:43 pm

From what I remember there is only 1 washer and 1 spacer on the caliper side of the wheel.
http://www.hdlparts.com/fiche_section_d ... veh=190494
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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Fatwing Chris » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:45 pm

You're too fast for me Dusty.Good picts.
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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Melloreel » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:22 pm

Well that is the rub, so to speak! I looked at those pics before I started and saw that others had questions about washer placement as well! But again I have TWO washers? How much gap, free play should be in the caliper mounting plate? If I take one of the washers out, there would be about 1/4 inch that the bracket could move sideways! Even tightend I have 1/16 of space between swing arm and first washer?
I think one of the posters in the original stated he had to install washers to tighten axle? So should there be a gap of any width, or snug? I stopped by Honda dealer, but the same one that told me they don't sell Molly 60 couldn't even find the rear axle :lol:
I work on Harley's as a hobby, and they are completely different! Thanks.

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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Melloreel » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:35 pm

Should I try and remove extra washer, and try to pull? Maybe somebody added washer to take out free play?
So should the caliper bracket float on the axle with some free play between swing arm and washer?
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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Dusty Boots » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:57 pm

There shouldn't be any gap left when you tighten up the rear axle.
Make sure the driven flange is properly seated in the final drive when you install the rear wheel and torque the axle nut to 80 ftlbs

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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Melloreel » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:03 pm

Thanks Dusty.
Tomorrow I will remove washer, and start over. Someone had to have added washer for some reason?
I think when previous owner had a rear tire installed in 05 it must have been at a bad shop? Found other little things that don't look right? Loose bolts etc.....

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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Dusty Boots » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:42 pm

Melloreel wrote:Thanks Dusty.

I think when previous owner had a rear tire installed in 05 .....


I hope you are replacing that rear (and most likely the front) tire as well! It is way past due at 8-9+ yrs old. Tires have a useful, safety life of a max of 5-6 yrs. After that they are prone to rot and separation!! Learn to tell how old your tires are!

Working on other peoples wings, I have seen all kinds of 'horrors' from shops that didn't pay attention to what the mechanic was doing as they rushed the bike off the lift. One 1 bike I was working on, the front axle bolt was so loose I could spin it off by hand without the use of any socket/wrench, while other small bolts that only needed 7-8 ftlbs of torque were so tight, I thought I was going to snap the bolt loosening it! :roll:

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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Melloreel » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:19 pm

The owner had not ridden the bike since 2006, but he was riding on tires that were slick all over! Oh-and brakes were metal on metal brave soul he was :o He let the bike sit until last week when I got it, so first thing both tires replaced and brakes ;) I can't believe some of the bikes that come to me for repair have these same bald tires and they only want to change the oil! my arse is worth more than the cost of tires :mrgreen:

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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby ct1500 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:20 pm

Something is wrong somewhere, in the second pic Dusty posted check the depth your inner spacer rides into seal, should be the same. Then go to your outer washer and check for fit on shoulder of axle, shoulder should butt up against washer. I suspect you do not have an OEM washer at all and it will slide over axle shoulder causing the fitment issue.
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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Melloreel » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:44 pm

Ok guys. I think I solved the riddle. I missed an important step in reassembly, I should have tightend,torqued the axle lockdown bolt before tightening the axle nut? I removed the second washer, then I noticed that as I tightend the axle nut it pulled the axle thru the swing arm. So I reread the post and found what I believe was the problem. I assume the shop that put on his last rear tire did the same so they added a washer, instead of "pulling the swing arm" together!
Thanks for all the replies :|

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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby ct1500 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:51 pm

Pinch bolts only get tightened after axle is fully inserted until it stops. I install axle fully, lightly snug axle nut, tighten pinch bolts then fully torque.

Good shop practice on a new to you ride or after final drive removal is to loosen the 4 final drive to swing arm nuts (slightly) prior to tightening axle nut and then tighten the 4 as a last step.

This aligns final drive to wheel assembly. :D
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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby Melloreel » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:38 am

Thanks ct. I haven't purchased a factory manual for this bike yet, so I'm not sure of the exact procedure? As soon as I can find one reasonable "not aftermarket manual" I will purchase, and make life easier!

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Re: Rear axle washers?

Postby 1985GL1200 » Tue May 10, 2016 8:15 pm

I too am replacing my rear tire and have the same problem. There is about an .080" gap between the outer washer an d the swing arm. Call me what you will but it doesn't look right. I tightened the axle nut and then looked at the swing arm to tighten the pinch bolt, and there is this gap. The axle seems to be drawn into the swing arm about the same .080". I guess what my question is, what is the correct tightening sequence for the axle and is there to be a gap and what is acceptable for a gap? By the way I now have a 1998 1500.




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