Cruise control help needed


Information and questions on GL1500 Goldwings (1988-2000)
  • Sponsored Links
User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:49 am



Hi guys. Cruise control stopped working some time ago on my 93 1500 pride and joy. I replaced the control unit at the rear below the top box, but still the same. Hoping someone can suggest what I chould replace next. Here are the symptoms:

When switched on, the 'cruise on' lights up ok. At speed, when I press the set button, the 'cruise set' also lights up, but cruise does not engage. The 'cruise set' light can be cancelled with all the methods used to cancel cruise, such as both brakes, throttle control etc. Everything looks normal, but no actual cruise contol set.

All suggestions welcome. Not sure what bit to buy next.

Cheers

Merv.

EDIT: Just wanted to say I have discounted any of the switches, as if a switch was faulty, then I assume the 'cruise set' light would not illuminate. Or is this a wrong assumption?


Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
vtxcandyred
Posts: 517
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:08 pm
Location: Oregon, Ohio
Motorcycle: 1993 Honda Goldwing SE

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby vtxcandyred » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:42 am

mervk wrote:Hi guys. Cruise control stopped working some time ago on my 93 1500 pride and joy. I replaced the control unit at the rear below the top box, but still the same. Hoping someone can suggest what I chould replace next. Here are the symptoms:

When switched on, the 'cruise on' lights up ok. At speed, when I press the set button, the 'cruise set' also lights up, but cruise does not engage. The 'cruise set' light can be cancelled with all the methods used to cancel cruise, such as both brakes, throttle control etc. Everything looks normal, but no actual cruise contol set.

All suggestions welcome. Not sure what bit to buy next.

Cheers

Merv.

EDIT: Just wanted to say I have discounted any of the switches, as if a switch was faulty, then I assume the 'cruise set' light would not illuminate. Or is this a wrong assumption?

The set light will come on if a switch is tripped. Mine will come on even if the clutch switch is engaged. It just won't set. I have to push out on the lever for it to work. I would check the connector under the seat. Thats where my problems are stemming from. I too have a 93SE and am having problems. My problem is the cruise set light will come on but go off right away. Sometimes it does it several times in a row other times it won't do it at all. I'm having a time with mine. Good luck!!!!

User avatar
RBGERSON
Posts: 2625
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:57 am
Location: SCOTTSDALE, AZ
Motorcycle: 98 SE GL 1500
had every year from 75 to 83

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby RBGERSON » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:53 am

Any of the safety features..brake switches, clutch switch showing engaged when not due to worn parts, dirty connections, etc. try pushing the clutch handle or brake lever out it that fixes it..then you know..if not still could be the issue but requires more in depth look
the air filter on the cruise system could be an issue too.
HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

FAIR WINDS,
RB

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:08 am

The set light will come on if a switch is tripped. Mine will come on even if the clutch switch is engaged. It just won't set.

I don't understand this. I would have thought if the set light came on, then the circuit must be complete through the switches. Are you saying if I hit the button and the set light comes on, then lightly touch the foot brake to make it go out, keeping the foot brake lightly depressed then hitting the button again, the set light will come on again? How can this be? I would have thought if any of the switches were tripped, that would automaticall turn it off if on, or prevent it from coming on?

Cheers.
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
wingpilot08
Posts: 430
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:43 pm
Location: Coatesville, PA
Motorcycle: 2008 GL1800-HPNA - 24,000+ miles
1988 Bunkhouse camping trailer
Darkside #1720

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby wingpilot08 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:15 am

When you said you have to "push" on the lever to get the cruise to work..are you talking about the clutch lever? If so, on the clutch lever is a brass bushing that will eventually wear down. If the brass bushing is worn, it will not allow the clutch lever to fully engage the micro switch that engages the cruise control. The bushing costs about 6.00 from mother Honda and takes about 10 minutes to replace. Hope this corrects your issue!
08' GL1800-HPNA - Red 24,000+ miles
1988 Bunkhouse Trailer/Camper
Darkside #1720

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:42 pm

Thanks for the clutch advice, but my bike has only done 11,000 k (under 7,000 miles), and not even the dimples have worn off the tires yet. And I consider all switches to be working, as when activated in turn, they all cancel the set light.

Cheers
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
wingpilot08
Posts: 430
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:43 pm
Location: Coatesville, PA
Motorcycle: 2008 GL1800-HPNA - 24,000+ miles
1988 Bunkhouse camping trailer
Darkside #1720

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby wingpilot08 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:46 pm

mervk wrote:Thanks for the clutch advice, but my bike has only done 11,000 k (under 7,000 miles), and not even the dimples have worn off the tires yet. And I consider all switches to be working, as when activated in turn, they all cancel the set light.

Cheers

No doubt...but it wouldn't hurt to check...cheers! Then again it was vtxcandyred that said he had to push on the lever....
08' GL1800-HPNA - Red 24,000+ miles
1988 Bunkhouse Trailer/Camper
Darkside #1720

User avatar
virgilmobile
Posts: 7663
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:39 pm
Location: Denham Springs,La.
Motorcycle: 1988 GL1500 I
Previously owned
78 GL1000
81 GL1100
82 GL1100 I
83 GL1100 I
83 GL1100 standard
84 GL 1200 I

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:55 pm

By your description,electrically everything works.Whats left is mechanical.
My 88 uses a electrically controlled valves that operate the vacuum unit to operate the throttle.Theres also a reserve vacuum canister and check valves to look at.
Get the manual out and check into the actual mechanism that operates the throttle.Mine is on the left side,just left of the carbs .the throttle cables hook to it.

User avatar
landisr
Posts: 393
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:18 pm
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Motorcycle: 1976 GL1000
1994 GL1500A

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby landisr » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:56 pm

One simple test would be to wrap 2 or 3 rounds of black electrical tape around the tab at the front of the clutch lever that presses in the microswitch when releasing the clutch. If the cruise then works as normal, you have narrowed the problem down to the lever or brass bushing worn, or the switch itself is ready for replacement. Let us know how things go.

Ron in AZ
Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here.

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:17 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Theres also a reserve vacuum canister and check valves to look at.


I removed what I believed to be a fuel vapor cannister when fitting my sidecar. It was located low in the front left side behind the left lower front fairing. Can you tell me the location of the vacuum canister? Perhaps I'm my own worst enemy.......

Cheers
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
virgilmobile
Posts: 7663
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:39 pm
Location: Denham Springs,La.
Motorcycle: 1988 GL1500 I
Previously owned
78 GL1000
81 GL1100
82 GL1100 I
83 GL1100 I
83 GL1100 standard
84 GL 1200 I

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:28 pm

I'll pull the manual from the computer and look,but my first thought is that is the vacuum canister for the cruise.

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:53 pm

Ok guys, I have done the tests and found the problem. Just not sure yet how to fix it as I'm only self taught at reading wiring diagrams, and I'm a terrible teacher.

First off, I can confirm that if a switch is faulty, the 'cruise set' light will NOT come on when the set button is pressed. So if you have a problem and the 'set' light still comes on when you hit the set button, it is not one of the switches.

All the switch, solenoid and dash light tests passed, with the exception where the test should return 95 ohms, my meter read 107, and one test that should read 82 ohm, I got 89, and the second of 82 ohm, I got 108. Because the readings were consistently higher, I put that down to calibration of my meter. Am I right in assuming that?

The one test that failed was 12v to pin 17. I have nil volts. Now the 22 pin connector on my wiring diagram is called C32, and the diagram shows the power wire to be colored red/white. My pin 17 is actually black with a yellow trace. The diagram shows it going direct back to relay 6, which in turn feeds from fuse 11. Fuse 11 is listed as ignition and cruise power, and it is good. Removing fuse 11 cuts power to the ignition, so I know it is good. Relay 6 is also shown as ignition and cruise, and as my ignition works, can I assume that power is being output also to pin 17 in my C32 connector, and the wire must be broken within the casing somewhere?

From C32, which is on the right hand side beneath the seat rear, the wire then goes to the bank angle sensor before retracing back to the switches etc and eventually to the cruise control unit. I think. But if I am not getting power as far as C32, then how do my switches work?

This is confusing. Think I'll have a cup of tea and another look at the diagram. Please bear in mind this is a Japanese import, so I am using the Euro version of the manual.

Cheers
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
virgilmobile
Posts: 7663
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:39 pm
Location: Denham Springs,La.
Motorcycle: 1988 GL1500 I
Previously owned
78 GL1000
81 GL1100
82 GL1100 I
83 GL1100 I
83 GL1100 standard
84 GL 1200 I

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:27 pm

By chance did the canister you discarded have a blue hose attached to it.???
Was it round and like a pop bottle with one hose connection.
That is a vacuum accumulator. The cruise will not operate without it.It is a vacuum storage tank.

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:32 pm

I can't recall as it was some time ago, however it was beneath the left front fairing, whereas the manual shows the vacuum canister as being on the right hand side. I checked after your warning. I think I'm right here........ Trying to find a wiring diagram that gives me all the pinouts for connectors C32 and C33. Any idea where I may find them?

Cheers

Merv
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:44 am

Now I'm really getting confused. I have 2 Electrical Troubleshooting Guides, both I believe relate to my bike. One shows a photo locating connector C32 on top R/H side below seat rear, with C33 on top L/H side below seat. The other shows a photo with C32 behind the R/H saddle bag, and C33 where I thought C32 was by the first picture.

This clears things up a little, as tests were carried out on C33, and the wiring diagram shows a BLK/YEL wire coming direct (via a couple connectors) from the cruise off/on switch, to C33, then on to the ignition terminal of the cruise control unit. Power is taken from a junction S188 to the cruise on indicator, before it gets to my pin 17 of C33, and this explains why the cruise on light illuminates, even though the power is not reaching the cruise control unit.

So, I now need to check connector C138, junction S245, and find a bad connection, I hope.

Slowly getting there (I think).

Cheers
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:21 am

This is so fraustrating. I checked the wires into the CC switch, and had power exiting the switch when turned on, so switch was proved good. From there, the circuit goes to connector C138 behind the RH fairing, and Junction S245, location unknown. As nothing else appears affected by this wire, I run a direct line (with a fuse holder) from the switch output to the connector at the rear, and now have 12v at connector C33 pin 17, where previously there was none.

But an expectant test ride returned disappointment. No change. Set button still lights up the indicator, and all switches still turn it off. Must be getting signal from the speed sensor, as with CC set, when I slow below 40 kph, the 'CC Set' light goes out. And nor will it set below that speed.

So, it appears my problem must be mechanical, and maybe to do with the vacuum system. Can't help thinking Virgil is having a quiet chuckle to himself right now, having mentioned this a couple days ago. My next step will be to dig out the 'Fuel Vapor Canister' I removed when fitting the side car, and checking if the part number printed on it is the same as that listed for the vacuum reserve tank.

Cheers
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:06 am

Well, there's just no way to compensate for stupidity! The Fuel Vapor Canister I removed was indeed, as Virgilmobile stated, the vacuum resovoir. Any wonder the cruise won't work! Been wanting to check the sidecar fitting behind the left lower fairing is still tight. Guess I'll now have a chance.

Thanks to those who answered, I appreciated the suggestions. This forum is great. Sometimes just asking the question makes it easier to find the answer. When other members reply, it's a real bonus.

Happy new year, all.

Cheers

Merv
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
mnet7291
Posts: 22
Joined: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:02 pm
Location: Vancouver,Wa.
Motorcycle: 1990 Goldwing
GL1500
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mnet7291 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:16 am

Wow, glad you found the problem :D , but what a long way around, im sure that sidecar made things much harder to get to on that side . hopefully you will have many more miles of cruising. Happy new year.

User avatar
redial
Posts: 1993
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:17 am
Location: Kapunda, SouthAustralia
Motorcycle: 1997 GL1500 Spectre Red Aspencade

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby redial » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:23 am

Merv,
What make is the chair that you have listed in your avatar? Where did you get it? and how much was it? Did you fit it yourself or was it part of the deal?

As Oz is a big country, what State or Territory are you located?

So many questions, I know, but if you dont ask, you will never ever know.
Len in Kapunda

The world is not going to finish today, as it is already tomorrow in Australia and New Zealand, and other islands of foreign nations such as Guam and Samoa.

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:35 am

Redial, I'm just north of Brisbane. It's a California Champion, and I bought th 86 1200 in Melbourne just for the sidecar. It has the electric option which allows the car to be raised or lowered at the press of a switch, which makes it easy to adjust the bike leanout to suit the road camber while cruising down the highway. Pics on my website http://www.kroll.id.au. I originally fitted a set of Trike Alternatives 'Retract-a-Trike' hydraulic wheels to the 1500, and even though they worked well and were top quality, my wife decided she didn't like them. So after 80k, they came off and the chair went on.

I fitted it myself, and it went on easy enough, except for having to pull all the fairing off on the LH side. Now I have to do it again, and not looking forward to it. Bike handles well with the sidecar, and between the two bikes I've had it attached to, I've ridden it from Melbourne to Brisbane, Then Brisbane - Rockhampton and return.

I still have a brand new set of Retract-a-Trike kit (done 80k) if anyon'e interested. Cost me $6k landed, but will sell them for any reasonable offer. Have spare command module, as well as software to modify the electronics if required.

Cheers

Merv
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
redial
Posts: 1993
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:17 am
Location: Kapunda, SouthAustralia
Motorcycle: 1997 GL1500 Spectre Red Aspencade

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby redial » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:16 am

Thanks Merv. Were you featured on Fletch's motorcycle show? Your photos look familiar, somehow.
Len in Kapunda

The world is not going to finish today, as it is already tomorrow in Australia and New Zealand, and other islands of foreign nations such as Guam and Samoa.

User avatar
mervk
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:51 am
Location: Australia
Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 LTD
1986 1200 SEI and Trigg Trike kit.
1993 'Black Beauty' 1500 SE and chair.
1993 GL1500 Trike.
+ about 20 bikes from 1914 to current.
Contact:

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby mervk » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:19 am

Len, have not heard of Fletch's motorcycle show. Sounds like I'm missing something........
Merv Kroll
Downunder

User avatar
redial
Posts: 1993
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:17 am
Location: Kapunda, SouthAustralia
Motorcycle: 1997 GL1500 Spectre Red Aspencade

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby redial » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:26 am

He has automotive type shows, including a series on Route 66, old trucks, old motorcycles, old cars. He is on Channel 44 here in SA, which is a community based TV station. (It usually does not have very good transmission, and has very old programs when it is not showing some interesting ones.

Sorry to hijack the thread.
Len in Kapunda

The world is not going to finish today, as it is already tomorrow in Australia and New Zealand, and other islands of foreign nations such as Guam and Samoa.

User avatar
JoseF
Posts: 10
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:10 pm
Location: Madrid, Madrid, Spain
Motorcycle: 1999 1500SE

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby JoseF » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:21 am

mervk wrote:Hi guys. Cruise control stopped working some time ago on my 93 1500 pride and joy. I replaced the control unit at the rear below the top box, but still the same. Hoping someone can suggest what I chould replace next. Here are the symptoms:

When switched on, the 'cruise on' lights up ok. At speed, when I press the set button, the 'cruise set' also lights up, but cruise does not engage. The 'cruise set' light can be cancelled with all the methods used to cancel cruise, such as both brakes, throttle control etc. Everything looks normal, but no actual cruise contol set.

All suggestions welcome. Not sure what bit to buy next.

Cheers

Merv.


Hola Cheers,

yo he tenido el mismo problema con mi control de crucero y el fallo estaba en que al hacer la revisión y sustituir el filtro de aire del motor se quedó el tubo de aspiración de la válvula de control de crucero presionado y no aspiraba bien. Desmonta el filtro de aire y revisa el tubo de aspiración de la válvula.

Saludos
José
Saludos
José
Madrid , España

User avatar
WingAdmin
Site Admin
Posts: 17050
Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:16 pm
Location: Strongsville, OH
Motorcycle: 2000 GL1500 SE
1982 GL1100A Aspencade (sold)
1989 PC800 (wife's!)
1998 XV250 Virago (sold)
2007 Aspen Sentry Trailer

Re: Cruise control help needed

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:32 pm

JoseF wrote:Hola Cheers,

yo he tenido el mismo problema con mi control de crucero y el fallo estaba en que al hacer la revisión y sustituir el filtro de aire del motor se quedó el tubo de aspiración de la válvula de control de crucero presionado y no aspiraba bien. Desmonta el filtro de aire y revisa el tubo de aspiración de la válvula.

Saludos
José


Google's translation of Jose's message:

Hello Cheers,

I had the same problem with my cruise control and the judgment was that by making the review and replace the engine air filter suction tube valve down and cruise control not aimed well rested. Dismantle the air filter and check the suction valve.

regards
José




Return to “GL1500 Information & Questions”




Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot], MSNbot Media [Bot] and 4 guests