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Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Stretch56 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:26 pm



I don't find specs any where for motorcycle tires as far as diameter and width. I need a rear tire, not crazy about the noisy E3s. How much different is a 150/80B 16 than a 160/80B 16? Michlein makes the Commander in the smaller size, but is that to much difference to use on the 1500?



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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:30 pm

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos

Go to this site and enter the sizes..it does the math for you..

On this comparison --
OEM is
.32 inches taller
.39 inches wider
.63 inches larger diameter
1.98 inches larger circumference
The smaller tire will spin about 19 times MORE per mile (and increase your RPMs slightly)



The challenge today is to find a GOOD tire for the GL1500.
Avon is a good choice in the Venom X
Shinko makes a couple of choices in the right size. (Reports are inconclusive at this time as to wear)
The EIII's are noisy and cup (personal experience)
Bridgestones only deliver about 9-10K miles (riding buddy tried them last year -disappointed)

Michelin Pilot GTs were the BEST ever made but they are no longer available.


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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby cbx4evr » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:43 pm

I wonder if the E3's will be any better with the new Dunlop MT Multi-Tread?
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:26 pm

Is there some reason that I never hear the Dunlop K177 tires mentioned as a good tire ? They were OEM I believe.

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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby RBGERSON » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:18 am

there is always the darkside..:) autotaxi
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NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:25 pm

Bluewaterhooker0 wrote:Is there some reason that I never hear the Dunlop K177 tires mentioned as a good tire ? They were OEM I believe.


warning ...this is an opinion...

OEM doesn't automatically mean good.
It means mets the minimum specifications and the design parameters including a price point . In other words ...the cheapest that will do the job .
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby bellboy40 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:01 pm

I have been using the Avon Venom in size 160-80HB-16 for the GL1500. It works very well for me. Smooth as silk, quiet and good grip. I have 18,000 miles on my current rear tire and it is just now getting about time to replace it. I used the Avons on my previous bike also, a GL1200 LTD, with the same good results. Here is one place to get it.

http://www.chaparral-racing.com/Product/avon-am42-venom-bias-touringcruiser-rear-tire/330-5320.aspx

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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:55 am

Using a tire size of 150-80-16 for example ,
when reading a tire size the first number(150) refers to the width of the tire in millimeters .
The second number (80) refers to the aspect ratio or the height of the tire in relation to the width, that is 80% of the width. In this case 80% of 150 = 120mm.
To find the height of the tire( overall diameter) you have to do some converting, mm to inches or inches to mm. In this case I will convert to inches. 120mm for the bottom of the tire plus 120mm for the top = 240mm=9.44". add 16" for the rim diameter and you get 25.44"over all diameter.
The 160-80-16 works out to 26.07"
The biggest factor when choosing any tire for your bike is the load rating. make sure the tire is capable of carrying the weight of the bike plus you and your passenger and any gear you may pack along. Too light of a load rating will cause the tire to flex too much building up heat and leading to a tire failure under load. You REALLY don't want that to happen. 8-)
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Bigbiker0 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:27 am

Michelin commander the size for GW rear is 140/90-16
The difference at 60 m/h will be .4 m/h
refer to http://www.tire-size-calculator.infohtt ... lator.info
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:39 am

Bigbiker0 wrote:Michelin commander the size for GW rear is 140/90-16
The difference at 60 m/h will be .4 m/h
refer to http://www.tire-size-calculator.infohtt ... lator.info


More narrow tire...?
Less weight capacity -
Michelin Commander II
140/90-16 H (130 mph) 77 (908 lbs)

Dunlop EIII
160/80B16 H (130 mph) 80 (992 lbs)

Avon Venom
160/80HB16 H (130 mph) 81 (1019 lbs)


Although I am strongly considering using the Commander II on my GS850 this year... ;)
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Bigbiker0 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:59 pm

the sticker on my bike said 160/80-16 75H
So the commander can take more weight than the Dunlop
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:41 pm

Bigbiker0 wrote:the sticker on my bike said 160/80-16 75H
So the commander can take more weight than the Dunlop


The 75H load rating is for 853 lbs . One of the greatest causes for failure and a common problem found at rallys by tire manufacturer s is overloading and low pressure . Goldwingers in general fall under these problems often . I would rather have a load rating of more tan 1000 lbs (81rating) for the money .
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby redial » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:39 pm

Not sure what happens in your neck of the woods, but here it is the combined weight over the two/four wheels that are supporting the vehicle. Therefore, if the front tyre is rated for 800 pounds, and the rear is rated at 900 pounds, wouldnt the weight to be supported by the tyres be 1700 pounds? Just asking.
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Bigbiker0 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:09 pm

That the way I understand it too.....
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby RoadRogue » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:32 pm

That would be fine if there was always an even distribution of weight front and rear. There is not. Add a passenger and the vast majority of that weight goes to the rear wheel. Accelerate hard and even more weight it transfered to the rear. jump on the brakes hard and lots of weight moves to the front wheel. It is better to have more than enough load capacity and not need it than to have just the minimum reccomended.
Go to the truck scales and weigh the whole bike with you on it, then front wheel with you then rear wheel with you, I wont even suggest trying this with your S.O. on board, I dont want to get you in trouble....now add the weight of any gear (mostly added to the rear of the bike) and you can see just how little if any is left over. It is safe to say most of us overload our bikes from what Mother Honda suggests as safe (read as a legal disclaimer to cover their butts) 8-)
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:39 pm

RoadRogue wrote:That would be fine if there was always an even distribution of weight front and rear. There is not. Add a passenger and the vast majority of that weight goes to the rear wheel. Accelerate hard and even more weight it transfered to the rear. jump on the brakes hard and lots of weight moves to the front wheel. It is better to have more than enough load capacity and not need it than to have just the minimum reccomended.
Go to the truck scales and weigh the whole bike with you on it, then front wheel with you then rear wheel with you, I wont even suggest trying this with your S.O. on board, I dont want to get you in trouble....now add the weight of any gear (mostly added to the rear of the bike) and you can see just how little if any is left over. It is safe to say most of us overload our bikes from what Mother Honda suggests as safe (read as a legal disclaimer to cover their butts) 8-)


Exactly. When you are hard on your brakes in a panic stop, virtually all the weight of the bike is transferred to the front wheel - and at the same time, it's under tremendous stress trying to bring that weight to a halt. Having an underrated front tire blow out during a panic stop would really cause a bad day.

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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:03 pm

Let's do the math....

GL1500 Dry weight about 795 lbs -- Add fluids Call it 825.

Add rider (the avg Goldwing rider is BIG) +275 Now 1600 Lbs.
Add avg co-rider lady 175 lbs Now 1775 LBS .
Add some gear (20 lbs per bag and trunk and misc) 1850 LB total
MotoGP bikes pull close to 1.7 G's when hard on the brakes - Let's just use 1.2 G for the Goldwinger...

According to research on msgroup.org (good reading) the front tire is 45% of total weight.

1850 X .45 = 832.5 LBS X 1.2 Braking G's = 999 LBS .

Over weight on that Front tire...and we are ASSUMING it is properly inflated which research at places like Wing Ding by the tire manufacturers have shown is generally NOT the case...

Rear tire....similar exercise BUT add the toungue weight of an overloaded camper trailer and all the required items for a camping motorcycle trip...
1850 X .55 (rear bias %) = 1017.5 + 40 Lbs of toungue weight from the camper

1057.5 LBS on the rear tire

Ooops..over weight again .

But I may be wrong - I only did a little research on the internet for about 15 minutes to discover these figures.. :ugeek:


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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby rdraidr » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:13 am

Not to debate the issue, but how did you get from 825lbs to 1600lbs by adding a "big" rider of 275lbs?

That's 1,100lbs ?

Now, carry on...

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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:03 am

rdraidr wrote:Not to debate the issue, but how did you get from 825lbs to 1600lbs by adding a "big" rider of 275lbs?

That's 1,100lbs ?

Now, carry on...


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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:11 am

Redo --

GL1500 Dry weight about 795 lbs -- Add fluids Call it 825.

Add rider (the avg Goldwing rider is BIG) +275 Now 1100 Lbs.
Add avg co-rider lady 175 lbs Now 1275 LBS .
Add some gear (20 lbs per bag and trunk and misc) 1350 LB total
MotoGP bikes pull close to 1.7 G's when hard on the brakes - Let's just use 1.2 G for the Goldwinger...

According to research on msgroup.org (good reading) the front tire is 45% of total weight.

1350 X .45 = 607.5 LBS X 1.2 Braking G's = 729 LBS . --Close to maximum with little error margin


Rear tire....similar exercise BUT add the tongue weight of an overloaded camper trailer and all the required items for a camping motorcycle trip...
1350 X .55 (rear bias %) = 742.5 + 40 Lbs. of tongue weight from the camper

782.5 LBS on the rear tire

Yep - Plenty of room on the 75H tire at 853 lbs. Maximum Load

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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Bigbiker0 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:07 am

Numbers can tell anything you want.It's only the manner you present then.
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:30 am

Bigbiker0 wrote:Numbers can tell anything you want.It's only the manner you present then.


Agreed...especially when I do the math wrong... :oops: :lol:

My point about weight rating is only pertinent to know that other options and choices are available.
I am going to need new tires on 2 - GL1500's this season and wrestling with this very choice myself.
I wish Michelin still made the Pilot GTs - then this would be a no brainer ...

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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby silverado6x6 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:00 am

I am installing a Bridgestone BT45 rear tire reversed on the front of my GL1500, I hear a lot of trike owners do this.
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby Wingsconsin » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:53 am

silverado6x6 wrote:I am installing a Bridgestone BT45 rear tire reversed on the front of my GL1500, I hear a lot of trike owners do this.


I used that tire on the front of my GL1500 2 wheeler when I went darkside on the rear.
After 11,000 miles it was badly cupped. But I stayed with it to 20,000 miles.
Talking to other who used the same set-up it was determined by a consensus of people that the tire performed better in correct rotation although not significantly so. The cupping issue was about 60% of the users and the others had no problem.
I monitor my tire pressures regularly and keep them at the correct inflation at all times.
Right now I am still using the Vredestein Comtrac "Darksider" tire on the rear and an EIII on the front.
At 25,000 miles and counting rear tire ...but will change back to regular motorcycle tires on the next change (end of 2014 early 2015).
For me - the regular MC tires work just fine....but I had to try it to see what all the hub-bub was about.
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Re: Rear tire for 96 gl1500 SE

Postby silverado6x6 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:29 am

http://www.shinkotireusa.com/tire/se890-journey-touring#sizes

I have just researched the latest Shinko tires and I have used them on two of my other bikes, they seem to perform very well.
The SE890 front tire for the GL1500 in 130/70R-18 has a load index rating of 72 which is 783 at 42psi, which is actually higher than a rear tire of the Bridgestone BT45 same size mounted on the front.

And the 160/80R-16 rear is an 81 which comes to a 1019lb load rating, and I like that, thats approaching some CT specs.

Those other Shinkos I have bought were Tourmaster 230 tires, at the time last year I was not aware of the SE 890 tires, and for anyones information the Shinko is based upon the very highly regarded Yokohama dies and are made in Korea. I may buy these front and rear instaed of going with the rear BT45 on the front and a CT like the Austone on the rear. I'm not afraid of using a CT, its when I try to sell the bike its the next persons POV of having a CT on it.


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