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1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:30 am



My GW 1500 is 1995 Aspencade Trike with 65k. A few months back I was returning from about a 60 mile trip. Not long into the return the bike just stopped running. I was going about 70. RPM's fell off so I pulled over and checked the kill switch and tried to restart. After about 30 seconds it started. I proceeded down the road and a about 15 miles later it quit again. Same routine. On the road again and once more it just stopped. I had a buddy bring his trailer and just as he got there it started so i drove it up and later off the ramp. Ultimately I changed the fuel pump (it was 19yrs old), filter, plugs, and battery. Since then its been fine. I do Patriot Guard missions regularly with mostly 36 mile round trips to the National Cemetery. Last week I went 60 miles out and back with no problems. Yesterday I was returning from a 50 mile trip when at about 2 miles it quit. It restarted after about 20 seconds and I kept it between 60-65 and it got me home. I have no confidence in the bike now. ANY ideas as to the cause?



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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby WingAdmin » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:58 am

When the bike was triked, was the bank angle sensor bypassed? Normally, a bike when being ridden will not see lateral forces - when it does, that indicates something is very wrong (i.e. the bike has fallen over and is laying on its side). Therefore, there is a bank angle sensor that detects lateral forces, and when it senses them, shuts off the ignition. You have to shut things off and turn them back on to reset it.

When a bike is triked, it doesn't lean anymore, so it sees LOTS of lateral forces, every time it turns. If the bank angle sensor isn't bypassed, it will shut off the bike when going around curves.

That's the first place I would look.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:02 am

The trike was done in 2007 and I've put 13k on it since buying it the trike.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby newday777 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am

Did it die instantly, or like it ran out of gas, sputtering?
Possibly the bank angle sensor, under right saddlebag(Even though you have a trike, it'll be in that location up near the seat. Remove the right wheel and look up under the body).
Do you have the repair manual?
The BAS were known for drying out inside and hitting a bump can shut down the bike. Sometimes the BAS are disconnected on trikes and plug the 2 wires together, but that will leave the trike running in the event of a tip over.
Has the side stand been removed? If so make sure the wire are properly spliced to bypass the switch.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:46 am

It dies instantly, like I turned off the key. Every time it quit I was running straight on good highway.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby wing rider 2012 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:43 pm

When it dies like this does your instrument panel shut off, does the LDC go dead, if this is the case I would start looking for chaffed wiring that could cause a short. Check all exposed wiring that isn't in a loom. First place to look is under the seat area and work out from there.
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:59 pm

The panel remains on. What is the LDC?

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby wing rider 2012 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:04 pm

dpmath wrote:The panel remains on. What is the LDC?


That was suppose to be LCD, sorry.
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:50 pm

LCD? Not on a 1995. :P

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby wing rider 2012 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:36 pm

dpmath wrote:LCD? Not on a 1995. :P


If my memory serves me right there should be a LCD between the tach and the speedometer.
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:50 pm

Duh! You're right. :lol: I do not remember looking at the LCD, just the indicator lights like the cruise and neutral lights. Watched the tach drop to zero.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby ct1500 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:15 am

The fuel pump was replaced with a brand new OEM correct? If not there you go.

If the Bank Angle Sensor was the cause of stalling it requires a recycling of key to off then on again before starter motor will crank, is that required for restart? If not that is not the problem.

Unfortunately, to properly diagnose a stalling problem requires plastic removed at the time of stall to catch what the problem is real time excluding the obvious.

The obvious would be ignition/kill switches. Do you ride around with 1 lb. of keys attached to ign. key ring?

A couple wiggle tests with engine running of switches can be done, when moving switches ever so slightly cause the stall when idling? If so that might be the culprit.
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby redial » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:14 pm

To add to the discussion - what about the half full fuel tank? Is the tank around one quarter to half full when it happened? If so you may have a hole in the diaphragm of the fuel mover. There are kits for these.
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:22 pm

I started it up today and wiggled everything I could think of with no problems. As to fuel level the tank has been near near empty (about 1 gal remaining) many times with no issues. The pump was OEM and the tank was very clean. I did examine the interior pump lines before installing and saw no potential issues.

I do appreciate everyone's input. What a bummer!

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby newday777 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:23 pm

redial wrote:To add to the discussion - what about the half full fuel tank? Is the tank around one quarter to half full when it happened? If so you may have a hole in the diaphragm of the fuel mover. There are kits for these.

Diaphragm of the Fuel mover?????? Do you mean the vacuum fuel valve/petcock

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby redial » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:54 pm

Yes. I was having a senior moment and couldnt remember the name.
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:55 pm

I can relate! I have been to Darwin in 90's...would love to come back!

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby redial » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:24 am

We have a place waiting for you, Dpmath, just spend the hour or so to get to the airport, and then you are on your way.
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby wingsound » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:28 am

My 93 does this from time to time and it's caused by the kill switch in my case. I have taken it apart and cleaned it twice in the last 5 years and it still is fussy.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:23 am

I found a new kill switch assembly and it was delivered yesterday. Soon I'll change it out and see what happens. Since my cruise buttons are also giving me issues I'm hoping for a home run repair.

Thanks to all for inputs.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby ct1500 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:17 pm

One other easily checked item is the auto fuel valve in front of gas cap.

Remove the vacuum line and with a vacuum pump attached to valve pull a vacuum. It should hold rock steady if not you found your problem. At higher fuel flows if valve is not open all the way the carbs can run out of fuel. And the extended cranking of restarting makes sense for having to fill the fuel bowls again. Also check for proper vacuum on that hose with engine running as a leaking deteriorated hose will cause the same symptom.
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby goldwinger11 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:56 pm

Check your pulse or trigger coils. If they aren't within spec replace them.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby TheChief » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:16 pm

WingAdmin wrote:When the bike was triked, was the bank angle sensor bypassed? Normally, a bike when being ridden will not see lateral forces - when it does, that indicates something is very wrong (i.e. the bike has fallen over and is laying on its side). Therefore, there is a bank angle sensor that detects lateral forces, and when it senses them, shuts off the ignition. You have to shut things off and turn them back on to reset it.

When a bike is triked, it doesn't lean anymore, so it sees LOTS of lateral forces, every time it turns. If the bank angle sensor isn't bypassed, it will shut off the bike when going around curves.

That's the first place I would look.


That's a new one one me. We have a Yamaha Venture Royale with a Voyager kit. We've ridden it for over 25K and nary a problem...

With that being said, I can see bypassing the BAS on a full trike conversion, but if you're running a Voyager, Tour Pak, or similar trike kit, bypassing the BAS may not be a good idea, especially if you ever ride on two wheels....
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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:24 pm

I've ordered a pet **** kit since its easy and cheap. We'll see what happens.

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Re: 1500 just quits

Postby dpmath » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:25 pm

Too funny...let's call it a fuel valve instead of pet *****




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