New 1500 - new cam belts?


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New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby ripsaw » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:11 am



Just upgraded from my old 1200 to a 1500 SE. Very low mileage 18000 but I believe the belts are the originals. The wing is a 95 model. Best to the cam belts anyway??



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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:27 am

ripsaw wrote:Just upgraded from my old 1200 to a 1500 SE. Very low mileage 18000 but I believe the belts are the originals. The wing is a 95 model. Best to the cam belts anyway??


Definitely. 18 years old is far too old for timing belts. Being that it is very low mileage, you can bet that the bike has spent extended periods of time sitting and not running. This is very hard on timing belts.

You can risk it...but are you willing to bet your engine?

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby wingpilot08 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:52 am

+1 on changing the belts....it's not that difficult a job to perform...just follow the instructions in DYI. Just did mine for the 3rd time a few months back (200,000 + miles). Peace of mind it worth it!!
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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby ripsaw » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:59 am

Yeah I guessed it would be better to change them to be safe rather than sorry. I found a wing in mint condition and it would be a total shame to ruin the engine just for the sake of not changing the belts. Anyone recommend the best replacements, probably best not to buy cheaper ones as "you get what you pay for" rule generally applies. I fancy a crack at the job myself, not done one before but I have done similar on cars - principle the same I suppose. Roughly how long does it take for a first timer? Thanks.

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby Happytrails » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:51 am

wingpilot96 wrote:+1 on changing the belts....it's not that difficult a job to perform...just follow the instructions in DYI. Just did mine for the 3rd time a few months back (200,000 + miles). Peace of mind it worth it!!


+2 its not too bad a job. I bought a 91 Wing last fall with just 28,000 miles and replaced the belts. The old ones seemed just fine but new belts were cheap enough. Just take your time and double/triple check everything. The "how to" guide on this site has the different belts listed. You can get Gates belts thru Amazon for a good price.
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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby RBGERSON » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:36 am

GL1500
Gates - #T275 (2 ea.)
NAPA - #250275 (2 ea.)
Goodyear - #40275 (2 ea.)
HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby wingpilot08 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:59 am

RBGERSON wrote:GL1500
Gates - #T275 (2 ea.)
NAPA - #250275 (2 ea.)
Goodyear - #40275 (2 ea.)


I have used the Gates belts everytime...But I hear that the NAPA belts are just as good!
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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:03 pm

wingpilot96 wrote:
RBGERSON wrote:GL1500
Gates - #T275 (2 ea.)
NAPA - #250275 (2 ea.)
Goodyear - #40275 (2 ea.)


I have used the Gates belts everytime...But I hear that the NAPA belts are just as good!


Gates makes the NAPA belts, so they are just as good because they are actually the same belt.

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby wingpilot08 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:12 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
wingpilot96 wrote:
RBGERSON wrote:GL1500
Gates - #T275 (2 ea.)
NAPA - #250275 (2 ea.)
Goodyear - #40275 (2 ea.)


I have used the Gates belts everytime...But I hear that the NAPA belts are just as good!


Gates makes the NAPA belts, so they are just as good because they are actually the same belt.


Well there ya go!!
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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby Dusty Boots » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:55 pm

ripsaw wrote: Anyone recommend the best replacements, probably best not to buy cheaper ones as "you get what you pay for" rule generally applies. I fancy a crack at the job myself, not done one before but I have done similar on cars - principle the same I suppose. Roughly how long does it take for a first timer? Thanks.



Probably about the best deal on the belts (remember - order a pair [2] of them) for the 1500 are through Amazon.com as you get free shipping as well as the low price.
I'm running those in mine right now. Used the Napa ones 1st time I changed out my belts 4 years/106,000 mi ago.

If you have never torn the Tupperware off this far before, I would plan for pretty well a full day, taking your time and double/triple checking everything, including installing fresh coolant and plugs.

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby ripsaw » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:48 am

Thanks for all replies.

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby Dannyboy1966 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:08 pm

As Dusty Boots said, take it slow and make a day of it. If your gonna have it all opened up, may as well do the oil, and filter change, and by all means change that Air filter too, the one in mine looked original and felt like it weighed 20 pounds, before you change the oil run some Seafoam through it and add a half a can of it to your fuel tank. Run it for 50 miles or so, not at high speed. Then change everything, Damn thing will run like Show Room New. Also suggest the Auxiliary Shifter Pivot, it will shift better than brand new.

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby bjatwood » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:27 pm

Amazon is the best price to the T275 Gates belts. Paid just over 32 bucks for a pair of them just this week...

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby hondageorge » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:12 pm

just changed mine on a '97 GL 1500. Yea, it only had 30K+ miles on it too. Like others have said, plan for a day and you will not feel rushed. Double & triple check your work and go by the instructions on Gold Wing docs. and it is a breeze. A picture is worth a thousand words. Do everything you can think of that you need to do with all the Tupperware off the bike. Sure saved me a ton of work in not having to pull the stuff off again for other things that needed to be done also. With all the dough you've saved by just getting the Amazon or NAPA belts, you can get a shifter brace and have the smoothest shifting GL1500 you ever owned, along with a smooth running one for the price of a set of Honda OEM belts from the stealer..
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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby TheChief » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:56 am

I'm gettin' in on this late, but I'll add my vote for changing the belts. I recently bought a '99 with 50K on the odo. I haven't ridden it yet, and I'm not going t until I change the belts, change the oil, flush and change the coolant, replace the battery, and undo/repair some the the PO's electrical work. I already have a set of Gates belts, and the factory service manual. I've done this job on a GL-1000, and after looking through the DIY and the FSM, I know what to expect. Tuesday I'm off to DMV to get her tagged, and then I'll hit the the dealer for filters.
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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby bo_mull » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:44 am

I replaced my belts the first week I had my bike. When I tore into it, I found that the left cam was 180 deg out of time. It was hard to start and didnt have any power untill 4000 rpms. It ran like a big three cylinder. I thought I was going to have to remove the head but I turned the engine where none of the cylinders on that side was on TDC and removed the belt. The cam spun around on its own most of the way then I finished turning the cam by hand to line it up. The point to my post is that you dont know what the PO has or hasnt done properly till you tear into it.

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Re: New 1500 - new cam belts?

Postby TheChief » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:32 am

Roger that! Every time I get a "pre-owned" anything (Well, except for my 8" Meade Schmidt-Cassegrain telescope...) I always have to undo "fixes", down grade "upgrades," and put stuff back to factory specs. My 2003 H-D Sportster is a prime example. The PO modified the carb and stuck on a set of straight pipes with NO CROSS-OVER. Both are big BoZo No-Nos. V-Twins that run "wasted spark" ignitions, and Sportsters in particular, need the cross-over to stop exhaust gas reversion. If you put on straight pipes there is no way to tune around EGR. You loose some low end torgue, the engine wants to run lean, and it just isn't "happy" anywhere in the RPM band. The PO had drilled out the sensing port on the slide, installed a weaker spring, and installed richer jets. The engine ran like warmed over dog crap and at idle the pipes made a sissy " Putt, Putt, Poot" sound, and they didn't fit. The rear pipe was leaking at the flange because you couldn't get a wrench on the exhaust nut to torque it down right. Just goes to show that Samson pipes are crap. I replaced the straight pipes with a set of stock pipes and stock mufflers with the cores cut out. I replaced the F'd up carb with a stock CV that had stock jets. In no time flat I had that bike purring. Took her on a 300+ mile trip and got nearly 70 mpg. Around town she gets 45 to 50 mpg, and she'll spank a BT in the twisties... Not bad for an 883.


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