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GL1500 timing belts project

Postby bjatwood » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:01 pm



Got a project coming up soon guys! ;) I'm going to be using this sites D.I.Y. timing belt thread every step of the way. Just have to stop at the local Honda store for 2 more quarts of silicate free Antifreeze before tearing into it. I don't expect to find bad belts, but at 16 years old and just 38,000 miles I'm not going to worry about the new belts for a long time ;) I bought the bike 2 years ago and have no idea if the belts have ever been changed. So, I went to Amazon and picked up 2 - T275 Gates belts for a whopping 32 bucks...
Any tips from you guys that have done this, before I tackle it this weekend?
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby triketrash » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:25 am

The "how to" makes things pretty straight forward. I did my GL1100 last summer just after I bought the bike. I would recommend you have a copy of the "how to" with you as you go through the job. I had a bit of trouble just getting the radiator off with those funky stock clamps, but replaced them with ordinary ones. It would be nice to have a helper as you try to line up the cam sprockets, while keeping an eye on the crank timing marks. I had to go back and forth many times as I tried to get things lined up. I had trouble with the first cam- kept getting it one tooth off- but once you get one side dialed in, the second side is easy. If you get too frustrated, just hang it up, call it a day, and come back to it later. Hope it goes smoothly for you. Give us a de-brief when you're done:)

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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby bjatwood » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:19 am

triketrash wrote: Give us a de-brief when you're done:)

Thanks for the tips and well wished "triketrash" I will de-brief here after the deed is performed.....with a couple of cold ones to celebrate the task... ;)

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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:04 am

Thankfully, the GL1500 doesn't have the radiator in the way like the GL1100 does, which makes the job all that much easier. Just take your time, follow the instructions, and be careful. If you're not 100% sure it's right, then go back and check again, or come here for help to be sure.

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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby bjatwood » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:55 pm

Thanks Scott, will do! 8-)

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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby canuck623 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:53 am

On the time thing. I just did one for a friend that had 84K miles on it but it was a 1990 and had never been done. The belts were so loose I could take them off without moving the tensioner and so hard they cracked when bent backwards. There was also tooth damage consistent with hardening. Take your time and it will all work out fine.
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby triketrash » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:00 am

wow- that's a testimonial for how long they can go and still not fail- shoulda just left mine alone LOL- good peace of mind though with fresh ones on though. I'd be interested to know how many guys have actually had one fail on a Wing-

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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby canuck623 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:42 am

Yes, for all it costs you are better safe than sorry. If one does break your engine will be reduced to a nice boat anchor. The one I did last week was was way past due.
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby tech1 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:10 am

I'm an auto technition and a Winger. Ive owned a 1200 and a 1500 and now an 1800 and the FIRST thing I did was replace the belts the cost is nothing compared to alternative. I found both realitively not too difficult but then again Im an ASE certified Master Technition and been for about 30 years. Take your time and make sure you are on TDC 1 and rotate it over by hand twice plugs out and recheck your timing marks. Also I found a 4 degree reluctor wheel which advances the timing I installed on my 1500. I'm a fuel injection person and hated the carbs on the 1500 Yes my 1200 was a SEi Miss it but the 1800 is too and chain driven cams
Peace of mind with new belts Too bad they couldnt have made it free wheeling
You'll ride better knowing they are replaced
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby canuck623 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:32 am

tech1 wrote:I'm an auto technition and a Winger. Ive owned a 1200 and a 1500 and now an 1800 and the FIRST thing I did was replace the belts the cost is nothing compared to alternative. I found both realitively not too difficult but then again Im an ASE certified Master Technition and been for about 30 years. Take your time and make sure you are on TDC 1 and rotate it over by hand twice plugs out and recheck your timing marks. Also I found a 4 degree reluctor wheel which advances the timing I installed on my 1500. I'm a fuel injection person and hated the carbs on the 1500 Yes my 1200 was a SEi Miss it but the 1800 is too and chain driven cams
Peace of mind with new belts Too bad they couldnt have made it free wheeling
You'll ride better knowing they are replaced
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I am also a Master tech. 45 years at it. I sustained a back injury on the job 3 years ago and now do a little service work on bikes in my home shop. Once the oil is in you it never leaves so this satisfies my need and doesn't hurt my back.
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby TheChief » Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:25 pm

I'm getting ready to do the belts on my new to me 1999 Aspendade. This ain't my first timing belt rodeo. As other have already said, changing the belts is pretty straight forward, just take your time and follow the instructions.

With that being said, here's a tip for you: Find some white paint, white nail polish or type writer correction fluid. A tire lettering stick is perfect for this.... When you get the covers off, find the timing marks, hit 'em with a small stainless steel wire brush, wipe with a rag sprayed with Brake Cleen, let dry, and dab the marks with white paint or rub with the paint stick. Wipe off the excess with a dry paper towel. Now you don't have to hunt for the timing marks... This same trick works for timing automobile or truck engines, and it saved me lots of frustration setting the valve and ignition timing on Porsche 944 and 951 engines....
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby canuck623 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:00 am

Good advice. I use a fluorescent metal dye myself. Shows up really nice under lights.
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby bjatwood » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:51 am

Excellent idea, will give it a try! Thanks

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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby rescue1042 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:48 am

iam doing mine on a 1998 se right now too I so far have got everything torn apart and picked my belts up last night!
so maybe after work I am going to atemp to put them back together. just need to go and see if I can find something to apply the 4.4 pounds of pressure to check belt tension just having trouble finding the luggage weight thing
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby canuck623 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:58 am

You can accomplish the belt tension without the scale. Mild pressure on the tensioner will do it. After you have the tensioner tightened down where you want them roll the engine thru a couple of revolutions and check the belt deflection. Put your finger in the middle of the side opposite the tensioner and lightly push down. The belt should be able to be pushed 5 - 7 mm with tension pushing back on your finger increasing as you push. Once you have that set start the engine and watch (and listen) the belts. They should be running true with no "slap" and you should not hear a whine sound when the engine is revved up. Good luck. I can't say check your timing marks often enough. Every time you do anything until you have then on and tensioned CHECK THE MARKS. Many times spring pressure on the cam can cause it to move a little after the belts are off so don't assume it stayed put. 1 tooth off can bend the valves.
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby rescue1042 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:22 am

thank you for the info I will try that and check those marks Thanks!:)
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:58 am

As I think I mentioned in the article when I wrote it, the springs on the tensioners are supposed to tension the belts correctly - i.e. you leave the tensioners loose, rotate the engine carefully through a couple of turns, then tighten the tensioners in place. The idea is that the springs apply the correct amount of tension to the belts.

I was not going to trust my belts (and engine!) to those little springs, so I measured mine with a scale (used a digital luggage scale). It turned out that the springs on the tensioners did in fact set the tension exactly right.

I still don't know if I would trust them again, but it was interesting that they were correct for me, even though the bike was 10 years old.

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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby rescue1042 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:08 am

Thanks admin I will try and look and see if it looks or feels a out right too want to make sure no slippage
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby 2manywings » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:00 am

All good info. A couple of things I'd add are: Pay attention when your taking the the larger belt cover half off. Three of the bolts are longer. I always mark the cover with a tire crayon next to the hole that they came from so I put them back in the proper location. The pickup coils have to be removed at the crankshaft pulley to get the belts off. Mark these also so they get put back on properly. They will go on backwards... Don't ask me how I know. I just know the bike won't start. Check the tensioners for noisy bearings, now is the time to fix if they need to be. And as far as proper belt tension, when I get the belts on and all the marks are lined up properly, I use a 12mm wrench on the cam pulley bolt, rotate it slightly to remove any slack from the belt, opposite the tensioner, loosen the tensioner and let it take up the slack. You should not add any extra force. If the belts are too tight, they will sing like a choir boy. And I always make sure all is clear and start the bike with the covers off to make sure I did my job properly. And finally write the mileage on the cover so you or the next owner know when they were serviced. You've just saved yourself a bunch of $$$.
It's not a bad job and I'd suggest that everyone do it at least once. Just take your time, pay attention, mark your pulleys etc... take pictures if you need to,and ask questions if your not sure. Good Luck!

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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby rescue1042 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:19 am

So last night after work went home and decided it was time to put the timing belts back in so after about a half hour of turning the crank and making sure that I got all the timing marks re lined up I started bike up and everything looked good so when shut it off rechecked the marks and all was good! so changed the oil and now should be ready for the first warm day to ride! Well wich could be tonight cause its suppose to hit 45 so all in all the job went way better then I thought. fyi I didn't remove the radiator hoses but it would have been a little easier to put shield back on but all in all it went good!!
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby redial » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:47 am

I betcha you feel real good after achieving this.
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby rescue1042 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:52 am

yes I did! but ya know when ya do a project like this and you get all done and you go to sleep so proud and then you wake up the next morning and start thinking did I remember to tighten this or that I really hate that feeling lol only reason you do is cause you checked and rechecked so many things lol
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby canuck623 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:17 am

Gotta love the "what if's". I still do it now and then after 45 years of doing it for a living. I know it's all good but can't stop the brain. Finishing something like that for the first time and hearing it fire right up is a chest pounding experience though isn't it!
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby rescue1042 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:23 am

ya know it is!!! I have been fixing things all my life from farm equipment and cars and trucks lawn mowers>>> but for some reason the bike always scares me when I work on it I guess it prob is cause that is my stress release and toy and saved for it and don't want to hurt it cause its not always easy to just go buy a new one lol
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Re: GL1500 timing belts project

Postby 2manywings » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:47 am

Ya Done Good! Now if you could fix the snow problem so you can get out and enjoy your ride. Enjoy!




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