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LED for position lights?

Postby huntsman47 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:09 pm



I have been researching LED replacement bulbs and I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions of what to use for the front position lights? They seem to be a neglected article and hard to find info on? I have a 2000/ 1500 SE. All suggestions will be appreciated! Should be driving soon.........!



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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:55 pm

The Admin would never neglect this hot topic.
Take a look in the "How to" section in the 1500 list.
You'll find a in depth post on how to replace your cornering lamp....With Led's no less.

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby MikeB » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:17 pm

This is one of your options from Cyclemax: http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/gl1500_position_light_replacement_led_bulb_/192156 and they are kind of expensive at $19 a pair but really bright and they match the color of my HID headlights.

Here is another option for you: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281206562947?_trksid=p2055120.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT. A little easier to swallow at $11.99 a pair. There are many many listing in Ebay for these types of LED bulbs. Most from China and will take a few weeks to arrive and some from the USA and can be at your door in as few as three days. Your choice.

No mater what you choose, the high power LED lamps are superior in illumination and longevity to any incandescent bulb you can use for general lighting, in my opinion. But I have yet to find a decent LED bulb for a headlight. There may be some out there but I haven't seen them yet.
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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby huntsman47 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:48 pm

Thank you for your reply but it is not my cornering lights but the two lights on either side of my headlights that I want to convert?

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby MikeB » Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:56 pm

I didn't say anything about cornering lights. The LED bulbs I'm talking about are the position lights NEXT TO the headlights.
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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:28 pm

Ahhhh.My bad.
I think
Wal mart and some truck stops have replacement lamps for those.
Take one with you when you visit.There not cheap either.Expect $5 or more each.

Well it used to be.Havent looked lately .

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby MikeB » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:45 pm

Having an Aspencade, the bike didn't come with cornering lights. And, all I have ever heard is that the filaments fail and the light goes dark and the bulbs are expensive. So, I never bothered with them. Besides, the bulbs were pretty much proprietary back then and hard to locate.

Now however, there are high power LED's that can be used to replace them and LED's don't have filaments. So, if you have the driving lights installed, you can go with the LED's and not worry about vibration killing your bulbs. Me, I like the 10 watt driving lights.
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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:59 am

I now have the LED positioning lights from Cyclemax mentioned earlier. They are quite bright, and nice in that they match the color of the HID headlights.

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby huntsman47 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:02 pm

Sorry Mike B I read your post wrong! Thanks for the links!

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby Master Mike » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:34 am

So Far I have converted my Headlight to HID and have converted my position lights to LED Now I would like to put my Kisan PathBlazer on my Position lights. Problem is I have an old Pathblazer which has two wired connectors (4pin) on each side of the control box. The control box is sealed tight and would be damaged if opened. The head light is a (4pin) plug for both the headlights and the position lights so I am wondering if anyone has an Idea of how to wire or move the wires in the plugs to allow Modulation of the position lights as apposed to the head lights?

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:15 pm

Master Mike wrote:So Far I have converted my Headlight to HID and have converted my position lights to LED Now I would like to put my Kisan PathBlazer on my Position lights. Problem is I have an old Pathblazer which has two wired connectors (4pin) on each side of the control box. The control box is sealed tight and would be damaged if opened. The head light is a (4pin) plug for both the headlights and the position lights so I am wondering if anyone has an Idea of how to wire or move the wires in the plugs to allow Modulation of the position lights as apposed to the head lights?


I just bought a new connector that matched the headlight connector, and used that to wire it in.

Keep in mind that if you have swapped your position lights to LEDs, they will not modulate correctly with the stock Kisan unit. It is designed to modulate incandescent bulbs, which require different current to get to the correct brightness. Connecting it to an LED will cause it to flash the LED (illegal) instead of modulate.

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby Master Mike » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:06 pm

Wow I had not considered the voltage Issue. I still have no Idea what the Pin outs for the Headlight and position lights are? I drew up this crude diagram to help me understand what was going on. I think that the Position Lights are on a pass through circuit in the HID System. If this is the case then I should be able to Identify that lead and swap the modulating pins for the headlight to the position lights. Thus allowing me to plug my modulator inline before the HID system and have the HID System On all the time and the Modulator working on the position lights. At this point I will worry about the LED Issue. By possibly supplying a 12v resisted/Diode feed of power consistently to the Position lights. Like we did with the Bag lights. Well that's my Idea anybody think I am nuts or have the pin outs on the Headlight system so I can try this? Thanks Mike

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:50 pm

Master Mike wrote:Wow I had not considered the voltage Issue. I still have no Idea what the Pin outs for the Headlight and position lights are? I drew up this crude diagram to help me understand what was going on. I think that the Position Lights are on a pass through circuit in the HID System. If this is the case then I should be able to Identify that lead and swap the modulating pins for the headlight to the position lights. Thus allowing me to plug my modulator inline before the HID system and have the HID System On all the time and the Modulator working on the position lights. At this point I will worry about the LED Issue. By possibly supplying a 12v resisted/Diode feed of power consistently to the Position lights. Like we did with the Bag lights. Well that's my Idea anybody think I am nuts or have the pin outs on the Headlight system so I can try this? Thanks Mike


That connector is C24. Its four pins (and the associated wire colors) are:

Green: GND
White/Black: +12V (low beam)
Blue/Black: +12V (high beam)
Brown/White: +12V (position lights)

I fixed the LED modulating issue by putting a resistor across the modulator output. This kept some current flowing to the LEDs even when the modulator was "off", so the LED went from full brightness (modulator on) to dim (modulator off, current flowing through resistor). I played with resistor values until I got the brightness I wanted - it would change depending on the LEDs you installed.

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby Master Mike » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:19 pm

Awesome, Thank you so very much, I knew that someone out there had done it and I wasn't going to poke the "Its against the law button". Seen the results of that action. Thanks Again WingAdmin.

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby MikeB » Thu May 01, 2014 8:20 am

WingAdmin
I fixed the LED modulating issue by putting a resistor across the modulator output. This kept some current flowing to the LEDs even when the modulator was "off", so the LED went from full brightness (modulator on) to dim (modulator off, current flowing through resistor). I played with resistor values until I got the brightness I wanted - it would change depending on the LEDs you installed.

Read more: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21021#ixzz30TAoINjW


What resistance range did you experiment with? I have H7 LED lights in my Hi-Beams on my GL1800 and would like to have them operate somewhat similar to the Halogen H7 bulbs. At present they pretty much flash rather than modulate.
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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby WingAdmin » Thu May 01, 2014 9:20 am

MikeB wrote:WingAdmin
I fixed the LED modulating issue by putting a resistor across the modulator output. This kept some current flowing to the LEDs even when the modulator was "off", so the LED went from full brightness (modulator on) to dim (modulator off, current flowing through resistor). I played with resistor values until I got the brightness I wanted - it would change depending on the LEDs you installed.

Read more: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21021#ixzz30TAoINjW


What resistance range did you experiment with? I have H7 LED lights in my Hi-Beams on my GL1800 and would like to have them operate somewhat similar to the Halogen H7 bulbs. At present they pretty much flash rather than modulate.


I wish I could remember. If I recall correctly, I started with a 1K pot, and adjusted it up and down until I got a result that looked about right. I then measured the pot value and put in a fixed resistor close to that value.

Keep in mind you should have the engine running while you do this, as the 13.8 volts of a running engine will require a different resistor value than the ~12 volts of a non-running engine.

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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby MikeB » Thu May 01, 2014 9:30 am

Sounds like an excellent method. Thank you.
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Re: LED for position lights?

Postby Master Mike » Thu May 01, 2014 9:33 am

This is a complement. You are really are genius WingAdmin. This web site benefits so much from your input and I just want to recognize that and say thanks.




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