My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start


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My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:11 am



Most likely this topic has been covered before, however maybe I can narrow my search down. Whilst on a trip this weekend, I heard a loud "shrilling sound", I assumed it was most likely one of the trucks that were ahead of me, overtaking them I realised it was the Wing screaching below me, I was travelling at approximately 75 MPH, no sooner had I realised the screech was coming from the Wing, she cut out , immediately "took" again, backfired, and off we went, and she went perfectly, until I tried to start her after a rest stop.

Turning the ignition, she makes a constant clicking sound, which I discovered is the solenoid, the starter motor wont swing, the rev counter needle moves but no swing from starter, is this a sign of a "dead short"? The only way to get her mobile is to push start her, and she runs perfectly. I can hear a relay click when I push the starter button, the solenoid just clicks away, I have checked all fuses on left side. What was the loud shrilling sound? Did I possibly not disengage the reverse gear properly? Have I "cooked" my starter motor? Anyone experienced something similar to this before?

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:00 am

You may have lost your alternator.
Measure your battery voltage with the key on.Expect it to be above 11 volts.
Check the fluid level in the battery too.
You can push start the bike with a near dead battery.
I'm able to get mine to fire if I have over 9 volts for the ignition.
Watch the battery volts as you try to crank it.

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:55 am

Thank you for the response and tip. I will run the check as you suggest. I did initially consider that it may be the alternator, however I assumed that because I have full lighting on headlights and driving lamps whilst ignition is on and engine off, that if it were the alternator and since I rode the bike for approx 450 miles that the battery would most likely be completely dead, yet it gives ample power to the headlight. Well...off I go to purchase a voltmeter and run your suggested test tonight. Thanks again. (My Harley rider mate is smirking...and we Wingers dont need that in our lives)! :)
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:06 pm

It's the noise that bothers me.The battery would not have lasted 450 miles of driving.
I thought of the alternator for the noise.Perhaps a bad bearing.Is the noise there without the bike moving?
Can you point to what solenoid is clicking.?You mentioned that it clicks constantly.
A volt meter or at least a test light will help to find out what's wrong.
I have great interest as I too run a 88.

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:13 pm

And yes,the 88 seems to be different in its electric than the other years.Ive downloaded the 89 euro manual and the wiring schematic seems the same as my bike.
Take a picture of the location of the clicking relay ,the color of the small wires attached to it and post it.I can identify it from there.
Also turn on your key,verify the neutral lamp is on,raise the kickstand and verify the side stand lamp goes off.Operate the reverse lever.Does the "R" lamp light?

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:29 pm

The solenoid I refer to is the one just to the right of the battery behind the blade fuse. When I press the starter motor the solenoid clicks consistently, as if trying to engage the starter motor. The shrill sound I heard was almost like a Turbo whistle..except it was quite deafening. This leads me to wonder if the starter was not possibly fully disengaged after I pulled away from the first fuel stop..mind you..I now do recall that when I engaged reverse and pushed the starter button, the bike actually tried to start and rapidly ran backwards..I did not give this too much thought, and off I went...think possibly the starter motor not disengaging caused the shrill sound and eventually burned out?
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:33 pm

Thanks for the further tips. .I will take a pic of solenoid and post it, unfortunately have not had time to work on her tonight, its 9. 30 pm in South Africa, will hopefully get a chance to check her out tomorrow eve and follow your suggestions.
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:38 pm

The shrill noise lasted for about 45 seconds...did approx 350 miles after that, but having to push start her.Never made that sound again.
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:16 pm

Hopefully my attachment is reflecting. My curiosity got the better of me, so instead of heading to bed I did a few tests. Firstly the battery is reading 12 volts, pressing starter button the voltage drops to 8. With ignition on, selecting reverse the R light does NOT come on. Also once reverse selected, starter pressed to select reverse, the solenoid is silent.
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:24 pm

Either there is a horrible load on the battery(seized starter) or the battery is not being charged...
Charge the battery up and check the water level in it.......
Thanks for the picture..is that the solenoid that clicks all the time.???

In the mean time,I'll ponder what the connection to the noise and the no start might be....

Thinking about this.....the starter system uses 2 solenoids to crank it.The second one is part of the reverse system....
I'm most interested now which solenoid is clicking and what is causing it....
By your description,the "main" solenoid works with the start button(it clicks) and it's the second one that clicks constantly....
I'm leaning toward a problem in the reverse system....
If it were engaged while driving (not mechanically but electrically) it could make a squealing noise in the reverse clutch assembly.
I'll look over the schematic for more info and things to test...Get your test light ready...I'll be back...

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:35 pm

The solenoid in the pic is the one that clicks constantly, thanks I will keep tester handy:) our time difference is prob 9 hours if you are in the States though..lol I guess pulling the starter and alternator out and sending them both off to the auto elec for testing may be the eventuality..but in the meantime your tips are teaching me a great deal, thanks!
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:49 pm

I am now leaning heavily toward your theory that possibly the starter motor has seized up..kind of synonymous with the starter motor spinning when I selected reverse, did not disengage properly and therefore the shrill sound travelling at 75 mph. ..ouch...if that is the case...
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:14 pm

Here's a bit more info... ....Starter solenoid A clicks constantly....That's a new one....it may be"clicking" try to crank the engine..loading the battery to 8 volts ...release....battery volts go up and click it goes again....

Unplug it for now....charge the battery up....
Test probe the little yellow/red wire with the key on...there should be no volts until you push the start button...If there is volts enough to light up your test light we'll look at the diodes...One may be shorted....
That solenoid should only click when you push the start button or operate the reverse...I'm thinking the bike is still trying to operate the reverse system....It may have damaged the starter....
Hopefully we can,at least,get the starter to work and just disable the reverse circuit for now....


There is a way to test the starter by yourself...

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:26 pm

Great, thanks a ton again for the detailed info. Hopefully tomorrow night I will get the opportunity to test further as you have advised. Good night from the Southern tip of Africa :)
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby newday777 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:38 am

From your descriptions I'd say it has to be the solenoid (s, A and/or B) and if they(one and/or the other) stuck on the starter may need a rebuild now.

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:06 am

I appreciate the feedback, my knowledge on auto elecs is very limited, naturally it would be foolish of me to fit a new/ rebuilt starter without firstly diagnosing the cause of the failure
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby newday777 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:23 am

If you find one solenoid is bad, replace both. The other will be short lived if you don't.

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:48 am

Note: you can download the euro manual...Hoping the wiring is the same...I'll try to confirm this compared to my 88...I do know that there were changes in the reverse wiring for different years...
As a point of interest...to crank the engine,both "A" and "B" solenoids must be energized..
When using reverse,only "A" is energized...there is a resistor block that is turned on by another relay to complete the ground for the starter....Using the resistors is how they control the reverse speed....
Note the page number of the schematic....this is a LARGE PDF file to look through..

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:53 am

Great, thanks, I will attempt to give "the old girl" some of my attention tonight, based on all useful tips given thusfar!
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby WINGER3 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:40 pm

Ian01 wrote:The solenoid I refer to is the one just to the right of the battery behind the blade fuse. When I press the starter motor the solenoid clicks consistently, as if trying to engage the starter motor. The shrill sound I heard was almost like a Turbo whistle..except it was quite deafening. This leads me to wonder if the starter was not possibly fully disengaged after I pulled away from the first fuel stop..mind you..I now do recall that when I engaged reverse and pushed the starter button, the bike actually tried to start and rapidly ran backwards..I did not give this too much thought, and off I went...think possibly the starter motor not disengaging caused the shrill sound and eventually burned out?


I just got onto this thread, I just bought last month a 1989 GL1500 that at 65+MPH started to scream at me and would not stop untill below 35MPH. It sounded like it was coming from the dash, maybe speedo., lubed it but no change,still screamed. I have the bike all tore down as it will not idle and jumps to 2800RPM and back, so I'm checking all vac. hoses and vac/electric solenoids, carb pulled apart. The only thing I found that mite be the noise, was the right front carb rubber boot to intake, the upper clamp was not screwed tight, someone forgot to tighten it and had signs of dirt being sucked into the top of it. Since I don't have it back together I don't know if that is the shrill scream that mine also has and I hope it is because it is bad, like a siren in your ear. Check you boot clamps, it just might be the problem, and let us know.

Also I had the solenoid on my GL1100A last Monday stop working, would just vibrate. I thoght at first the batt. was down, but it checked good @ 13.2V, so I pulled the solenoid from the GL1500 and it fired right up. It sounds like that also mught be your problem, but to be sure, Virgil will solve it for you. Hopes this helps, you not alone with the screamer. :mrgreen:
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:24 pm

On your severe idle problem,look very close at the slow speed jets and ports.One of mine was almost plugged and it caused the same hunting problem.

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby WINGER3 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:27 pm

No such luck, I ran it as far as I could with sea foam, but the RPM change was so drastich(35MPH and zoom up to 60MPH) with out a throttle change on my part, scary + the screeming along with it, I thought I better quit befor I hit something. The inside of the carb's are as clean as new, I sprayed brake cleaner thru every orafice and jets and blew out with air pressure. I could see the spider screens in every jet with the naked eye, so carb does not seem to be my problem. I think a vacumn leak more likely, just not found yet, other then the loose carb boot. So untill I put back together, I won't know if I found the leak or the shrill scream. :mrgreen:
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:13 pm

7 main vac lines in question.All at the sharp 90*.
2 carb,2 left intake ,2 right intake,1 under the rubber mat.
Check the slide diaphragms for any pin holes or splits.They must move very smooth.Recheck the float level ......absolutely flat...even on each side.Keep the measurement EXACT.No more than 1/2mm off.REALLY.!!!
Also inside the frame right side across from the carbs.A couple there.
Don't forget to pre set the idle jets and mechanically sync the carbs then sync on the bike.

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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby WINGER3 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:35 pm

Thanks Virgil, I'll do my best. :mrgreen:
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Re: My 1988 Goldwing GL 1500 wont start

Postby Ian01 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:23 am

Just a very quick response, interesting post Winger3, I too have previously experienced similar symptoms to yours, I cannot say that it is relative to my latest experience. To cut a long story short, I sent my starter motor in for testing and it is burned out. I have to wait another week or so until it us reconditioned. Obviously I remain concerned as to root cause, but Virgils helpful advice will see me through that, I am sure. As a matter of interest my old Wing only has only done 28000 miles, she stood for many years before I rescued her from orevious owner 2 years ago


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