Cruise Control Woes


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Cruise Control Woes

Postby noeleo » Fri May 02, 2014 12:53 pm



Didn't want to hijack virgilmobile's thread. I have a 1898 GL1500. The cruise has worked mostly well. Now, all of a sudden, it doesn't work except on rare occasions. While running down the road, you can press the "set" button and the "CRUISE SET" light will come on, then almost immediately go off. Drive to the next stop, shut off the bike, get done with business and go again. Next time you press the "set" button, the "CRUISE SET" light might stay on and the cruise works.

I do have a manual, and have removed the trunk and checked the connections at the module. Even added dielectric grease to that connector. Don't know where else to go. Any suggestions besides hades? :D

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby virgilmobile » Fri May 02, 2014 1:03 pm

The cruise is cancled by a few electrical things....
The most common fail point it the switches at the brake and clutch levers...There tight tolerences to begin with and on mine,just a little movement of the front brake lever will cancle the cruise...
I'd suggest a ohm meter test of these two switches.

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby noeleo » Fri May 02, 2014 2:35 pm

Thanks, virgilmobile. Forgot to mention that I had checked all the cancel switches including the throttle switch with a DVOM.

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Uncle Fester » Fri May 02, 2014 3:16 pm

Have you checked the Cruise filter ? I have HEARD that can cause issues. . .
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby baumedagn » Fri May 02, 2014 5:35 pm

A couple of other things you may want to check. If your bike has aftermarket clutch and brake levers, sometimes that causes issues with switch contact etc. Also, have you checked the bushings in the levers? I have not seen it personally, but I've heard that they can wear and cause the same type of problems.

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Bigbiker0 » Fri May 02, 2014 6:04 pm

There is an other switch on the foot brake pedal .My cruise prob. was the adjustment on the switch.Quite hard to find.
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby virgilmobile » Fri May 02, 2014 6:13 pm

My first thought.Testing with a DVM is fine but should be long enough to shake and bump the bike to see if its just on the edge of turning off.
Like I said,if I just lightly touch the brake lever,off it goes.A bit sensitive.Ill fix it later.One of your switches can be the same Setting still it's OK but rattle it a bit and ,even just a brief loss of continuity and off the cruise goes.even a corroded switch can do this.
You could test this by systematically bypassing one switch at a time and testing .

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby noeleo » Fri May 02, 2014 9:06 pm

virgilmobile wrote:My first thought.Testing with a DVM is fine but should be long enough to shake and bump the bike to see if its just on the edge of turning off.
Like I said,if I just lightly touch the brake lever,off it goes.A bit sensitive.Ill fix it later.One of your switches can be the same Setting still it's OK but rattle it a bit and ,even just a brief loss of continuity and off the cruise goes.even a corroded switch can do this.
You could test this by systematically bypassing one switch at a time and testing .


I guess bypassing each switch will be my next step. One at a time. Thanks, virgilmobile.

And to the poster about the cruise filter (oops forgot your screen name), I changed it in February when the whole bike got serviced. I'm pretty meticulous about that one and the filter on the other side. Usually once a year whether it needs it or not. First time I changed them, they just crumbled when I opened the housings.
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Uncle Fester » Fri May 02, 2014 9:11 pm

Glad to hear you are vigalent on the two odd ball filters, no prob on missing the screen name.
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby noeleo » Fri May 02, 2014 9:37 pm

Uncle Fester wrote:Glad to hear you are vigalent on the two odd ball filters, no prob on missing the screen name.


Shouldn't have missed that one. He (Uncle Fester) was one of my favorite characters. I remember watching FIRST RUNS of the Addams Family. You rang? Telling my age now...

OOPS off on a tangent. Got a 200 mile ride scheduled for Sunday and will try using a jumper on the controls at the handlebar one at a time. Jumper change at first stop should tell me if it is a clutch or front brake switch. Someone else (names again) asked about the levers. They are still original. The pivots get lubed every other service, and that also includes the bushing and pin for the clutch master cylinder. Kind of OCD about them as I can't stand a sticky or squeaky lever. Probably overkill, but if you are aware of how OCD affects someone, it is understandable. Gets worse the older I get.

Now if I could just stay on topic...
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Uncle Fester » Fri May 02, 2014 11:07 pm

Is it POSSIBLE that a little too much grease was used to lube a lever and gunked up a switch some ? Just a thought. . .
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Sempai » Sun May 04, 2014 10:02 am

Read my entry in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12019

Forgive me for not remembering this clearly...You may also want to try just unplugging the clutch and/or brake lever switches as I THINK they are normally OPEN switches that are closed when you pull the lever. If im correct, using a jumper wire will disable the CC from engaging as it will think you've got the lever pulled in.
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby redial » Tue May 06, 2014 2:40 am

Didn't want to hijack virgilmobile's thread. I have a 1898 GL1500.


That is a really old GL1500 :lol:
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Uncle Fester » Tue May 06, 2014 7:14 am

redial wrote:
Didn't want to hijack virgilmobile's thread. I have a 1898 GL1500.


That is a really old GL1500 :lol:



Good catch. . . . are we SURE it has the same electronics as our bikes ? I thought those years used FOOT POWER ?!?
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby wingpilot08 » Tue May 06, 2014 8:19 am

baumedagn wrote: Also, have you checked the bushings in the levers? I have not seen it personally, but I've heard that they can wear and cause the same type of problems.

Do check the bushing on the clutch lever...what you are describing is exactly what I was having issues with and it was brass bushing on the clutch lever...costs about $6.00 from mother Honda and it will correct the issue!!!
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Uncle Fester » Tue May 06, 2014 10:49 am

I need to check my bushings too I guess. . . .my Wing started a some what simular problem this weekend.

I can turn the cruise on just fine, but go to engage it, 70% chance it engages. When it does not, squeeze the clutch, holding rpm steady so not to shock the drive train, and POP the lever back out (release fast) and cruise will now engage just fine.

I am thinking this is a gunky switch or worn bushing. . . . Either way, easy fix, I HOPE !
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby noeleo » Tue May 06, 2014 12:45 pm

redial wrote:
Didn't want to hijack virgilmobile's thread. I have a 1898 GL1500.


That is a really old GL1500 :lol:


Thanks, redial. Guess the three or four times I read my text before I post still didn't help on that one. Must have been dislexic fingers. :lol:

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Wingsconsin » Tue May 06, 2014 1:42 pm

When it kicks out - push forward on the clutch lever and try to re-set it.. .. If this makes it behave you have a worn bushing or even perhaps the lever has developed a dimple.. I have seen both (on my bike). The clutch lever has to make the switch activate -
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby wingpilot08 » Tue May 06, 2014 6:04 pm

Wingsconsin wrote:When it kicks out - push forward on the clutch lever and try to re-set it.. .. If this makes it behave you have a worn bushing or even perhaps the lever has developed a dimple.. I have seen both (on my bike). The clutch lever has to make the switch activate -


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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby noeleo » Thu May 22, 2014 10:41 am

Well, here's an update. After disassembling, cleaning and reassembling ALL the switches on the handlebars (they all were in need of cleaning), I have narrowed it down. Seems the front brake switch is very touchy now. Just the slightest movement will disengage the cruise. If it doesn't set, I just push the lever out and it works. No more intermittent operation. So maybe the brake master cylinder is not fully returning and keeping the lever in the "home" position. After this next trip, I will disassemble and clean the cylinder. I keep the brake fluid changed, but have never actually cleaned out the assembly.

Thanks for all the pointers. I figured I would post this to keep you folks from hanging on the edge of your seats waiting to see the fix. I know when people don't let the forum know the outcome, it can be frustrating.

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby virgilmobile » Thu May 22, 2014 11:36 am

Thanks for the update.Take some pictures of how you fix it.
I may one day have the same problem.

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby noeleo » Thu May 22, 2014 9:20 pm

virgilmobile,

What do you think about roughing up the flat spot on the front brake lever that contacts the switch plunger, and then adding some oh say .020 shim stock fastened with epoxy? I checked and the plunger COULD move another .040-.050 before it bottoms out in the switch housing. That way I could put off disassembling the master cylinder until next winter. ;)

I also thought about taking the lever off and laying a bead on it with the aluminum welder at work, but I don't think so. I'm open for suggestions...

Going on a 650 mile round trip this weekend and looking forward to using the cruise...Will just have to remember to press the lever away from the grip before setting. :?

Let me know if you think it will work. 8-)

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby virgilmobile » Thu May 22, 2014 9:38 pm

Sure,glue a shim in there to get by for the trip.As long as it dosen't push on the master piston and is just to "fill the gap".

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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby Uncle Fester » Thu May 22, 2014 9:59 pm

What about filling the dimple with some two part epoxy, like JBWeld/quik, let it dry , then grind smooth with a dermal tool ? This would fill in the dimple and "restore" proper operation. . . . IF I am understanding the problem right.
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Re: Cruise Control Woes

Postby virgilmobile » Thu May 22, 2014 10:45 pm

Same same.Whatever it takes to safely activate the switch without compromising the brake lever function.
This is a temporary fix....even a stiff rubberband to pull the lever back would do in a pinch. :D




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