How to replace speedometer head


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How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:22 am



My speedo cable snapped off inside the speedo head, so I can't just replace the cable. I've lost cruise control, and turn signals have to be turned off manually since they're tied to the speedo.

Can I replace JUST the speedometer head (with a new cable that snapped), or do I have to buy the Honda "Kit" (Speedo, Tach, Clock) at $666, which is what the dealer is telling me. I'll do the repair myself, but I don't know where to start.

I couldn't find any DIY on how to replace the speedo... only the cable.

And if I have to replace the whole dash... I don't see any DIY on that either.

Ideas?


Thanks,

-Lucky-



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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby redial » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:17 pm

If you check out the following:

viewtopic.php?t=10998

it should take you through the steps of removing the instrument cluster, but remember the caution about the instruments should contain oil to dampen the needle movement.

Get yourself a set of JIS screwdrivers, follow the instructions, and you should be right. You may as well change the bulbs to LEDs while you are in there.
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby Uncle Fester » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:20 pm

I had the plastic tip on a speedo cable break off inside the speedo on a VW Bug I used to own, thought I would have to replace the speedo too, a friend was able to stab the end of the cable with a needle and pull it out. . . . you MIGHT be able to pull that off on yours too.
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:32 pm

Len:

The bad news is I replaced all my lamps to LED's as you suggested... they have a shelf life of 50,000 hours, so I'll be dead before they burn out... LOL.

Sounds like I have to order the kit since you mentioned instrument cluster. Was hoping I could just fix the speedo, but sounds like that's not doable.


M. Twain:

I should be so lucky. I DID buy a replacement cable hoping that's all I would need to do before they told me it snapped off inside the speedo... but I can hope for a mini-miracle and give that a shot... especially if it will save me $666 for the dash kit.


Thanks guys!

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:34 pm

Len:

I forgot to say why the "bad news" was that I replaced all my LED's... 3 months ago!!! If I had known my speedo was ready to go, I would have taken advantage of that opportunity since I had the whole front end disassembled in my garage... :-(

-Lucky- (But not this time... ;-)

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby redial » Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:27 am

Lucky,
Why not try a dismantler (aka wrecker here in Oz) or flea-bay and see what is available. When I was considering replacing the speedo with a metric one, it is apparently an easy job to do if you cannot get the broken pieces out, and once you have the cluster on the 'desk' - it is getting it to that stage that is usually the problem.

On International EBay, there is a cluster for sale from a 98 GL1500 for about $350 plus shipping. Not sure of your mileage, but this one has about 58K on it.

Have a look at Ebay
<380751157069>. Keep the lady, and you will Luck in again :D
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby RBGERSON » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:17 am

or this $99

http://tinyurl.com/o2oad9w

If international shipping is an issue you can have it shipped to me and I can ship it to you..I am in AZ
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NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:20 am

Thanks Len & RB:

RB - I placed a bid... wish me "Lucky" ... lol


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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby Uncle Fester » Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:14 pm

Best of luck ! Let us know how it goes. . .
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby wingpilot08 » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:52 pm

You can replace just the speedo if you can find one...normally on EBay...my speedo failed at around 160,000 when I had to replace it...my new speedo shows the correct odometer reading...currently at 202,000+ after making an adjustment to the odometer......that took a bit more work!
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:04 pm

Ok Wing Pilot.... thanks

Stay tuned...

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:46 pm

So I'm getting really close...

Meaning that I've gotten to the instrument cluster, but I'm having a problem detaching the lock tabs that connect the wires. They've been locked since 1998! Any "tricks" on how to separate these suckers without destroying them? I can't seem to pinch them hard enough to release.


I have a speedo on order (found a great supplier with Honda certified parts that is cheaper than my dealer - 2wheelpros.com

For example... dealer part would have cost me $350.99 for DISK, RR. BRAKE ... But 2wheel price is $256.50!!! $100 LESS!!! (Part #: 43251-MT8-000)

They told me I was going to have to pick up an instrument panel cluster to fix my speedo problem (why??? Can't I just get a new speedo?) at their cost of $666.29!!! I'm not doing this, but if I HAD to, 2wheel cluster price is $476.31... shy of $200 less. WOOF!

Dealer list of all repair parts was going to cost me $2400... I got it down to $1200 with these guys... 50% less!!!

Just sayin'

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:41 pm

Ok... so I'm a moron...

I was being tentative with a flat head screwdriver to depress the locking mechanism for fear of breaking it...

Put a little "Praise Jesus" into it, and to God be the Glory, they both released with more ease than I expected...

Now... to the speedo itself...

And that's another story...

Stay tuned...

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby wingpilot08 » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:46 am

luckingham wrote:Ok... so I'm a moron...

I was being tentative with a flat head screwdriver to depress the locking mechanism for fear of breaking it...

Put a little "Praise Jesus" into it, and to God be the Glory, they both released with more ease than I expected...

Now... to the speedo itself...

And that's another story...

Stay tuned...

-Lucky-

What I normally do is first push the connectors together , the depress the locking tab, then "wiggle" the connectors apart...pull on the connectors...not the wires...don't want to cause unwanted damage!!!!
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:34 am

wingpilot96 wrote:What I normally do is first push the connectors together , the depress the locking tab, then "wiggle" the connectors apart...pull on the connectors...not the wires...don't want to cause unwanted damage!!!!


Yup, that's my technique as well. Pushing them together a lot of the time unlocks the locking tab, then you can compress it and wiggle it apart.

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:23 pm

Poifict.... thanks guys!

I've got my speedo head on order. The bike is all on my garage floor...

I'm a little nervous about pulling the instrument cluster apart to replace the speedo, but your pics are a big help. Thanks!!!

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby wingpilot08 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:12 am

The worst part is just getting to the entire cluster. Just take your time and don't rush it. Take pictures if it will help putting things back together! Let us know how the procedure went!!
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:48 am

I got to the cluster "easy" snuff... But the warning about how there's oil in the instruments to keep the needles smooth is what I'm concerned about. Says not to turn the cluster upside down so it won't leak out. That's fine. But I don't know what to expect when I isolate just the speedometer.

Stay tuned ...

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby wingpilot08 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:45 am

luckingham wrote:I got to the cluster "easy" snuff... But the warning about how there's oil in the instruments to keep the needles smooth is what I'm concerned about. Says not to turn the cluster upside down so it won't leak out. That's fine. But I don't know what to expect when I isolate just the speedometer.

Stay tuned ...

I don't remember any oil in any of my gauges..it is NOT in the speedo at all!! the entire unit of the speedo comes out of the assembly with just the removal of a couple screws. DO NOT try to "spin" the odometer barrels..as they will break and not be useable..(ask me how I know!)

I actually did a little "surgery" on my speedo cluster to get the odometer at the right setting (at the time I think i had 190,000 on the odo approx). It involved cutting and JB Weld..but it's working for me just fine. My problem with the old speedo is that the "tophat" (best I can describe it) on the speedo had come loose and was tilted..causing it too wobble and make a great screaming noise and my speedo needle would jump from 40mph to 130 (or the highest speed). To say the least it was annoying. Since replacing...its been great!!

As an offer to anyone who reads this post...I have a spare trip odometer, speed sensing unit and speedometer face that are available...FREE...just pay for shipping..(see photo attachment)
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:54 am

luckingham wrote:I got to the cluster "easy" snuff... But the warning about how there's oil in the instruments to keep the needles smooth is what I'm concerned about. Says not to turn the cluster upside down so it won't leak out. That's fine. But I don't know what to expect when I isolate just the speedometer.

Stay tuned ...


I don't know if the 1500 has oil damped gauges like the earlier 4-cylinder Wings - but I didn't turn them upside down to find out. :)

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:15 pm

Ok... cool.

I was curious about spinning the odometer, but I didn't put on enough miles since the cable snapped to care.

I've got about 97K on her... and considering that's since 1998 (16 years!), and the duration of these engines... I think I can get another 16 years with no plans to sell it.

I'm retired on limited income, so she's gotta go the distance.

I teach Tai Chi, and as a result, plan to live to 150! I'm 62 now, so I haven't even hit my mid-life crisis yet.

That being said, 16 more years will get me to 194K on my "Glidewing," which brings me to 78 years old ... which will qualify me to by a NEW "Glidewing" in mid-life crisis mode, unless anyone thinks I can "milk" this '98 for 88 more years.

Hmmm... let's see...

16 years = 97K
88 years / 16 years = 5.5
5.5 years * 97K = 533,500 miles
I have to add the existing 97K to that so:

533,500+97,000 = 630,500 miles that my engine has to survive...

Think I can break a 1500GL "record?"


I got 375K out of a '79 Honda Civic.

Body rotted before the engine went!!!

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby wingpilot08 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:30 pm

Well I just went over 60 in May and the 96 SE currently has 203,000 on the odo...I plan to make her last a while too ! Regular maintenance is the key.
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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:17 pm

Awesome!

My faith is renewed!!!

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby luckingham » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:35 pm

Ok... so I have a NEW problem with the speedometer I ordered.

Here's what I ordered:

Manufacturer: Genuine Honda Part
Manufacturer Part#: 37205-MAM-A81
Item Number: OEM330241
This Part Replaces: 37205-MAM-C80

My current speedometer has a "speedometer sensor" that is secured to a plate that's part of the speedometer. On my new part that replaces the old C80, that plate doesn't exist, so I have nothing to attach the sensor to.

Is that going to be a problem, or am I just going to have to live with some "sensor warning light" being on all the time?

-Lucky-

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Re: How to replace speedometer head

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:41 pm

The speed sensor drives the turn signal canceller, cruise control, and radio auto volume level control.

I checked, and the part number you have is the correct part for your bike. Why it doesn't have that on it, I'm not sure. Does your existing sensor have a wire it is connected to?

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