Fails to start?


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Fails to start?

Postby huntsman47 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:18 am



A friend of mine also rides a 1500 se and after driving it into the garage and turning off it will not start? He set up a extra cigar socket in the trunk but the wiring is straight forward for that and was checked. The switch turned on and button depressed to start equals nothing. We checked all the fuses and stared at the electrical starting circuit wiring diagram for a long time. We found a relay switch behind the battery and shorted the main terminals and the starter turned over but no start? We then replaced the start solenoid but to our disappointment no cigar! All fuses were checked and found good. I am out of options so if anyone can get me going in the right direction it will be greatly appreciated! We are both a little frustrated. If any of you are a Goldwing mechanic and were willing to let me contact you i will gladly pay for the phone call! Thanks in advance---huntsman47.



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Re: Fails to start?

Postby Dogsled » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:12 am

Check the kill switch on the handlebar, that has happened. and your kickstand switch may be bad
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Re: Fails to start?

Postby Mh434 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:18 am

We need to know if the bike cranks, but doesn't fire, OR, doesn't crank at all. These two conditions would lead us down completely different paths.

If it cranks, it could be as simple as a low battery. If the battery gets low on 1500's, they will crank but there may not be enough juice left to fire the ignition, fooling us into believing the battery's okay, because the bike spins over. Sometimes they'll fire as you release the starter button, as there's enough inertia to keep the motor turning for a moment, and, for an instant, there's enough juice to fire the plugs. This happened to me, and many others here. You could also try using jumper cables to another known-good battery (but do NOT jumper to a battery attached to a running engine - the current may fry wiring on your bike - leave the other vehicle shut off, and use JUST the current from its battery).

If this gets it started, the battery is the culprit. Mine had an apparently good, high-end Odyssey AGM battery, which turned out to be a tiny bit shy of the amperage necessary to start the bike after sitting for a day or more. I replaced the battery with a new AGM (I've since added a 95-amp alternator), and the bike would start fast & easy, every time.

If the alternator is weak, on short or low-speed riding it will be bleeding charge from the battery, and if it has failed (for example, the alternator brushes on many 1500's have been known to fail - these can be easily replaced).

If the bike doesn't crank at all, but all the ignition & dashboard lights work, then follow Dogsled's advice, and check the kill switch (apparently a very common problem) and the sidestand switch (does the sidestand light on the dash stay on when the stand is up?).

Give us some more symptoms, and the pros here will diagnose your problem with ease...

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Re: Fails to start?

Postby huntsman47 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:33 am

Many thanks for the help! The bike has all lights working but will not crank and we have a car batt attached. It is not in a car but on the floor separately. The bike will not crank and even when a start relay is by -passed the starter will work and turn the motor over but it will not start? what else do I need to give you for info?

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Re: Fails to start?

Postby Dogsled » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:35 pm

Mh434,
That's a great question about the sidestand light staying on.....I never had it happen to me, just read what other people had problems with. Nobody has ever mentioned (that I have read) if the light was off or on when the switch failed.

I do personally know you feel like a **** when it turns out to be the kill switch
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Re: Fails to start?

Postby huntsman47 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:05 pm

I will be checking the kill switch on Monday and post my findings?

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Re: Fails to start?

Postby waituntilthebeep » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:49 pm

I had a problem with my 89 1500 where the side stand was up and the light was off but the bike would not turn over. I had to reach down and flick the switch with my hand and everything was fine. Sounds exactly like what you are experiencing.

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Re: Fails to start?

Postby redial » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:54 am

Many thanks for the help! The bike has all lights working but will not crank and we have a car batt attached. It is not in a car but on the floor separately. The bike will not crank and even when a start relay is by -passed the starter will work and turn the motor over but it will not start? what else do I need to give you for info?


I hope your problems have all disappeared by now, BUT if they are still there, then start from the start. Get a multimeter on the battery and check its voltage directly from the two terminals. If it is ok, check the same when it is being cranked. Just because you use a car battery, does not mean that you are getting the volts through. If they do not have enough volts, they will not start! You are looking for volts, not amps. For a healthy battery, there should be 2.2 volts per cell. The starter needs plenty of these cells to be working at the same time, and if one of these is sulphated up, it cannot deliver all of the volts.

Keep us informed of what you find.
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Re: Fails to start?

Postby huntsman47 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:49 pm

I have found the culprit! It was as several of you predicted, the Kill Switch!! I replaced it and now all is well. My sincere thanks for everyones help, as I am a newbie to all this your help is invaluable! Again THANKS A BUNCH! -------Huntsman47.

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Re: Fails to start?

Postby Mh434 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:36 pm

I'm always relieved when a problem like this is solved!

Is it me, or does there seem to be an increase in the number of kill-switch related issues recently?

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Re: Fails to start?

Postby HawkeyeGL1200 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:20 pm

Mh434 wrote:I'm always relieved when a problem like this is solved!

Is it me, or does there seem to be an increase in the number of kill-switch related issues recently?

There seems to have been a "rash" of dog-bone fuse related issues as well.

Glad to be reading the problem has been resolved!
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Re: Fails to start?

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:33 am

waituntilthebeep wrote:I had a problem with my 89 1500 where the side stand was up and the light was off but the bike would not turn over. I had to reach down and flick the switch with my hand and everything was fine. Sounds exactly like what you are experiencing.


There are actually two switches (well, technically one, but it's a SPDT) inside the sidestand switch: One that kills the engine, and one that turns on the "sidestand" light on the dash. Sounds like yours was dirty/in need of replacement.

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Re: Fails to start?

Postby Corkster52 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:28 am

Kill switch failed on me 2 weeks ago and 107 miles from home. Did find out that AAA towing is free, up to 100 miles. Then it is $4/mile after that.




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