1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blue


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1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blue

Postby ORKINMAN3 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:07 pm



I just bought a pristine gl1500 se 1995 with 16300 on it , I drove it 3k miles , and now when I turn on the ignition to the first position it turns on radio and shows power, but the second that I turn the ignition to the on position it kills the battery. I did hear a click the first time it happened so I thought it might be a fuse , but the main fuse is ok, I removed the battery and charged it and its putting out voltage around 13,5 but the on position drains it like there is a short or something? I disconnected all the added electrical components that I had professionally installed , and same thing happens. I don't know what to check next, do I pull all the relays and fuses to isolate the problem? do I check the ignition for a short? if so how? and could it still be a battery problem? or is it a starter solenoid problem? I had thought it might be a simple bad ground , but that would also happen when I turn on the ignition to the acc also? right ? I am lost at this point I may tatke it to the dealer and pa 75.00 per hr to trouble shoot , any help would be appreciated, this bike is like showroom new and was running perfectly until this happened and the accessories I added all worked fine for the last month. I cant figure out what happened out of the blue?



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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby ka4yqi » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:11 pm

Is the battery new? Or a old battery that you are trying to revive?

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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby ORKINMAN3 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:43 pm

battery is original. but it is holding a charge.

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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby wing rider 2012 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:33 pm

When you say "kills the battery" does that mean the bike acts like the battery is dead when you engage the starter button? Have you put a voltmeter on the battery and see what the voltage does when trying to start the bike? If not, then try and do so. If the battery voltage drops below 10V the bike will not start, and this could be a sign of a defective battery. Even if you charge the battery it may not be able to hold a charge that is able to crank the engine over.

So when you turn the ignition switch to the "ON" position that battery voltage drops? If so, how low, this is without the starter being engaged?
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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby ct1500 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:23 pm

A fully charged battery can still be junk, it needs to be load tested for a determination if OK.

If you had a draw so severe that it killed the battery when key turned on there would be burnt wires and the bike would have melted down.

More likely the battery is junk or a relay or main connection in a wire is no good.
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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby dingdong » Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:16 am

We need more definitive info on what "kills the battery" means.
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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby deikev » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:23 pm

Had a fairly similar thing happen on my 2000 GL1500 recently, but with some added twists. 30 mins in to ride she stalled at stop sign and wouldn't start right away. Voltage meter was reading +12V at this point. Starter was engaging but she wasn't firing up. Figured I flooded it, which has happened before (although never, ever happens on my 89). Finally backfired and then kicked right over. Made a stop and shut her down but got nothing but a click on restart. Turned key all the way off and then on again, hit starter button and she kicked over but starter motor wouldn't disengage. I could hear it winding even after I turned the key all the way off. Hit kill switch to shut motor off but starter was still turning. Released clutch and the bike began moving forward, quite clearly powered by the starter motor. Stopped on it's own quickly but then I watched the voltage meter begin a long decline from +12V to a dark display, .2 volts at a time. Painfull. Battery was new in May; 90 Amp alternator was installed by previous owner in 2011. Anyone?

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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby Fiberthree » Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:35 am

Could still be the battery. I had purchased a new one and everything was rosy until one morning as I was leaving for work. I turned the key and as I reached for the start button I heard "SNAP" and nothing worked. I spent the entire day troubleshooting and found nothing. I put the previous weak battery in drove back to the motorcycle shop where it was tested and I was told that the new battery had a shorted cell and was only warranted for thirty days. (I had had it 32) I put up a big fuss and the owner called the manufacturer who said they would cover it. This faulty battery would measure 12.3 volts with a VOM but fail when a load was put on it. Sounds like what you have.
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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby rzaugg » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:39 pm

Sounds to me like a bad connection somewhere on the power side of the circuit. ct1500 was correct in saying that a short to ground would burn the bike down, but a bad connection on the power side, when draw gets too high, will open the circuit. Positive battery cable to starter relay, may even be the starter relay itself. That's what it sounds like to me.

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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby Ed Z » Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:17 pm

From what you describe it's the starter relay getting stuck in the closed position... I can not recall at this moment which one is the common one to do this ... Check the A and the B starter relays... With the battery disconnected check for continuity across the main terminals on each relay... The one that does not show as an open circuit is the one stuck in the closed position... Hopefully the starter was not hurt by it...

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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blu

Postby milkman44 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:27 am

Watching this thread as I am interested in original posters solution. It's hard to follow with multiple posters problems, who's responding to who?

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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blue

Postby Wingryder1 » Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:30 am

Post is eight months old.. and no "here is what I found wrong". Members join and read this forum mainly to educate themselves on their GL. Please follow up every post with a solution.. even if its.. "I gave up and sold the bike".

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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blue

Postby seelyark1 » Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:03 am

Sure sounds like the starter is the real problem to start with. Now the solenoid is also stuck so that it is draining the battery when the key is turned on. A solenoid is a type of relay, but made for carrying much higher currant flow. A short in the starter could actually weld the contacter in the solenoid. Relay #6 could also be stuck keeping the solenoid engaged. Start switch is another place to look. If he heard the click before and doesn't now, something is stuck in the on position. Just my $.02 on some possibilities.
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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blue

Postby Ed Z » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:09 am

These solenoids are a known failure point... The starter does not need to be at fault... In fact I had a friend that had replaced his starter (with a new one) and have solenoid failure a month or so later... They don't "weld" internally but rather just get stuck in the closed position... The only way to stop the starter motor once this happens is to disconnect the battery... Key off (even removed) will only prevent the engine from starting, but the starter motor will continue to crank it over... This is an area that it is well worth the $ to buy the OEM replacement as the cheap aftermarket ones will just provide you a repeat experience far too soon...

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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blue

Postby seelyark1 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:38 pm

I bet that you have never seen a relay with stuck points either. It is a common problen as some contactors are copper coated and the arc from contacting is enough to weld them together. I have seen water pump points stick too, usually blowing the circuit breaker in the house.
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Re: 1995 gl 1500 with 20k electrical problem out of the blue

Postby Ed Z » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:16 pm

Yeah I have seen welded contacts... However the disassembly of the failed solinoids I found to be physically stuck...




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