The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..


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The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby bohdan » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:03 am



Greetings Wingers,

Perhaps some of you fine folk could steer me in a right direction. Perhaps somebody else had a similar problem. Okay here it goes..

Opened up the connector under the seat. Just like instructed in Goldwingworld. Did my tests. Everything tested out okay except the voltage and the clutch switch.

Voltage. black and yellow. Nothing. Suppose to be 12 volts. Appears the manual points to another issue with voltage. Says something about the engine control unit. Is that what is suppose to supply power?

Clutch switch. This one is different. The circuit is black/yellow and blue/green. The switch tests good for continuity. Continuity only when switched. However, testing the harness, I have continuity all the time. Even after I disconnect the leads to the switch . So when I go to the other ends, no continuity. In essence, if continuity one end, it should be on the other end too. N'est pas? Much obliged for any advice Thanks. P.S. 93 aspencade



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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:19 pm

bohdan wrote:Voltage. black and yellow. Nothing. Suppose to be 12 volts. Appears the manual points to another issue with voltage. Says something about the engine control unit. Is that what is suppose to supply power?

Clutch switch. This one is different. The circuit is black/yellow and blue/green. The switch tests good for continuity. Continuity only when switched. However, testing the harness, I have continuity all the time. Even after I disconnect the leads to the switch . So when I go to the other ends, no continuity. In essence, if continuity one end, it should be on the other end too. N'est pas? Much obliged for any advice Thanks. P.S. 93 aspencade


I'm assuming you did these tests with the connector (C33, the 22-pin black connector under the seat) disconnected, correct?

Are you checking the side of the connector that leads to the bike, or the side that leads to the cruise control unit (which is located underneath the trunk)?

Assuming that the connector is disconnected, and you're testing the correct side (the side that leads to the front of the bike, not the one that leads to the cruise control unit), you should see what you are expecting - continuity on Black/Yellow and Green/Blue ONLY when the clutch switch is squeezed.

With your meter set to volts, connect the black lead to a known good ground, and the red lead to the green/blue connector as shown. Turn the bike to ON (not ACC). You should see zero volts, and when the clutch lever is pulled in, you should see +12 volts.

The black/yellow wire should show +12 volts when the bike is ON, the engine kill switch is in RUN, and the cruise control is turned on (pushbutton latched in).

Female C33 connector
Female C33 connector

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:27 pm

And just in case you want to carry on with the diagnostics of connector 33:

Connector 33 (cont'd)
Connector 33 (cont'd)

Connector 33 (cont'd)
Connector 33 (cont'd)

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby bohdan » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:47 pm

Thanks Wing Admin. This is some great stuff. I haven't seen this document before. It does reference other tests when one fails. Do you have these? Test a,b,c,d,etc........

Yes, the connector is the C33 under the seat on the right side.

Yes, I was testing the plug side toward the front of the bike.

Is there a difference between the continuity tests and the voltage test? I didn't do the voltage. Just continuity. It is just weird that I have continuity in those exact two wires with the contacts disconnected from the clutch switch. But when I put my leads on the other side, there isn't any continuity. I will make sure I am doing it right again tonight.

Yes, it was the black and yellow I was trying to get the voltage. red probe to that terminal with the plug disconnected and the black to the frame. Ingintion on and the cruise on switch on. No dice.

Probably from my stupidity, trying to figure out the schematic, I guess I was baffled where the black and yellow wires gets its power. Seems that it goes from the clutch cancel switch with a couple of splice from the other switch and then to the cruise control. I am baffled..... thanks for your help!! Mighty obliged...

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:16 pm

These are all from the electrical troubleshooting manual. The actual tests that follow the pages I posted above are 15 pages long, a little too long to post here. I can help a bit perhaps with a more clear schematic:

Cruise Schematic 1
Cruise Schematic 1

Cruise Schematic 2
Cruise Schematic 2

Cruise Schematic 3
Cruise Schematic 3

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby bohdan » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:20 pm

Thanks WingAdmin, Yes these I have. Just need to know how to read a schematic. I was hoping to have reference to test A, B, c...Mighty obliged.

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby bohdan » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:48 am

Greetings Wing Admin.

While I have studied these schematics for the last three days, I almost getting topsy turvy. However, perhaps you could maybe answer a simple question. Currently, I am not showing any voltage at the blk/yellow. Bike on, cruise switch on, stop swtich on. But... if my "cruise on" indicator light comes on which it does for both the initial test and when switched ( c33 plug attached), the crusie switch path is through the control unit to turn on the indicator light. . Would I be lead to believe that there is voltage going through the bkl/yellow anyhow? Then I guess why am I not reading it. Mighty obliged for your help.

PS also discovered that there are 4 leads going to the clutch cancel switch. I have been testing the wrong ones. Do you know what the other two are for?

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:47 pm

bohdan wrote:Greetings Wing Admin.

While I have studied these schematics for the last three days, I almost getting topsy turvy. However, perhaps you could maybe answer a simple question. Currently, I am not showing any voltage at the blk/yellow. Bike on, cruise switch on, stop swtich on. But... if my "cruise on" indicator light comes on which it does for both the initial test and when switched ( c33 plug attached), the crusie switch path is through the control unit to turn on the indicator light. . Would I be lead to believe that there is voltage going through the bkl/yellow anyhow? Then I guess why am I not reading it. Mighty obliged for your help.

PS also discovered that there are 4 leads going to the clutch cancel switch. I have been testing the wrong ones. Do you know what the other two are for?


When you say "stop switch on" I assume you mean the "stop switch in the run position", correct? If it is not in run, the cruise will not be getting any power and will not activate - i.e. no power on black/yellow.

When the stop (kill) switch is on, and the cruise switch is on, there will be +12 volts on the black/yellow wire. The cruise control is powered by this +12 volts, so if your "Cruise On" light comes on, you must have +12 volts on this wire. If you're not reading voltage there, is your meter working/set/hooked up correctly?

There are four leads going to two separate switches on the clutch. The first switch is a normally open switch that closes when the clutch lever is pulled in all the way:



It is connected to the black/yellow and green/blue wires. This allows the bike to be started when in gear, if the clutch is pulled in.

The second switch is a normally open switch that closes when the clutch lever is just barely pulled in:



It is connected to the green/red and green/white wires. This cancels the cruise control when the clutch is pulled in.

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby bohdan » Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:33 pm

Thanks Wingadmin. Since my cruise light did come on before I separated the swtiches, I think I am gonna hook it up and see if I get my cruise on light.

Interesting with the four leads. Did you mean to say, the blk/yellow and the blue /green is the cruise disconnect while the other ones are "starting in gear" leads? I think you may have got them the other way around? Thanks for your help. I am truly mighty obliged......

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby bohdan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:52 am

Duh...... Well there are two pairs of connectors on the clutch switch. I tested the one that I thought was the cruise control ones with the black/yellow and green/blue wires...............Wrong. It was the other one which tested fine. I definitely got a learning experience from this and was able to read and diagnose wiring diagrams. I also need to take Multi-Meter 101. I disconnected the correct leads and tada. Got cruise now need to find a new switch. Thanks for all your help.....

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:53 am

bohdan wrote:Duh...... Well there are two pairs of connectors on the clutch switch. I tested the one that I thought was the cruise control ones with the black/yellow and green/blue wires...............Wrong. It was the other one which tested fine. I definitely got a learning experience from this and was able to read and diagnose wiring diagrams. I also need to take Multi-Meter 101. I disconnected the correct leads and tada. Got cruise now need to find a new switch. Thanks for all your help.....


Glad you were able to work it out!

Incidentally, Cyclemax keeps these switches in stock for $15:

http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/clutch_ ... 129/201582

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby pt1 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:56 pm

Hi WingAdmin, thanks for the diagrams. Am I understanding diagram correctly? The clutch cruise off switch is a N.O switch not N.C switch. So when it closes it sends a signal to the logic to shut off. I should have no continuity through that switch with clutch handle out/not pulled in?

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Re: The never ending thread of Cruise Control problems..

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:59 pm

pt1 wrote:Hi WingAdmin, thanks for the diagrams. Am I understanding diagram correctly? The clutch cruise off switch is a N.O switch not N.C switch. So when it closes it sends a signal to the logic to shut off. I should have no continuity through that switch with clutch handle out/not pulled in?


That is correct.




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