Turn Signal Switch Died


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Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby Uncle Fester » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:53 am



Okay, my turn signal switch has died on my 1996 Aspencade.

It will not stay to the left or right, turns on by its self when I hit a bump (usually signals a right turn on me).
While going down the road you can also see the toggle (part of the switch you move side to side) come in and out of the housing a little ways (maybe a 16th of a inch if that), when it comes "out" is when it is most likely to turn on by its self.

Has something inside the housing broke, that I can repair/rebuild ?
Do I need to find a new switch and replace the one inside the housing ?
Do I need to replace the whole housing ?

For right now, I have it taped in the center position and am using hand signals for turns. . . .


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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby MikeB » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:00 am

The turn signal switch on my '99 failed at about 55,000 miles. It was replaced under warranty. I do not know if there is anything internal that can be repaired but I would imagine there is. If you try to repair it, be prepared to fabricate a spring or two out of music wire. The spring may not be the culprit however. It may be a pivot point of some kind. The simple route would be to replace it with a new or used one. A search on Ebay will give you a few options for replacement parts.
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby Uncle Fester » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:28 am

I am searching evilbay, but so far it is only the full housing at $130.00 and higher. Honda does not show any way but the whole housing either. . . . Thats why I am hoping someone here can help.

Maybe someone here has a switch housing they are willing to sell at a more reasonable price ? ;)
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby MikeB » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:54 am

I did a quick search: GL1500 turn switch and got this:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p4684.m570.l1312.R1.TR9.TRC0.A0.H0.Xgl1500&_nkw=gl1500+turn+switch&_sacat=0
Ebay item number 191351587210 one includes both quadrants, left and right. Bidding is at $19.99 with 7 hours left.

Several others are listed.

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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby Uncle Fester » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:30 pm

Will look into that bidding site you suggested, as I am NOT a fan of EVIL BAY. . . ( can you tell ? LOL ) :D
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby MikeB » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:34 pm

Yes, I can tell.. :D
I wasn't either until I found a way to bid and not get depressed when I lost to someone using a sniper.
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby wingpilot08 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:15 pm

Uncle Fester wrote:Okay, my turn signal switch has died on my 1996 Aspencade.

It will not stay to the left or right, turns on by its self when I hit a bump (usually signals a right turn on me).
While going down the road you can also see the toggle (part of the switch you move side to side) come in and out of the housing a little ways (maybe a 16th of a inch if that), when it comes "out" is when it is most likely to turn on by its self.

Has something inside the housing broke, that I can repair/rebuild ?
Do I need to find a new switch and replace the one inside the housing ?
Do I need to replace the whole housing ?

For right now, I have it taped in the center position and am using hand signals for turns. . . .


Depends on how much you want to go into the switch and see if it can be fixed. I had a similar issue with my switch and it turned out that a spring had broken that returns the switch to the center position. I was able to fix mine using a spring from a ballpoint pen. it can be done...I think I saw a post else where on this subject and he had pictures of the repair...
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby Uncle Fester » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:27 pm

THAT is the kind of info I was hoping for, I will search for the post, or if someone has a link. . . . PLEASE !
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby wingpilot08 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:54 pm

Uncle Fester wrote:THAT is the kind of info I was hoping for, I will search for the post, or if someone has a link. . . . PLEASE !

Found this on an 1800 site...may be similar. Also found that a spring from a BIC lighter may work

Our bike only has 47000 miles, yet the turn signal switch failed a few weeks ago. The detent spring must have broken because the knob would just flop around and allow the turn signals to turn on randomly (plus it wouldn't stay centered.)
The cost of a replacement assembly is over $200 dollars plus the installation costs in either time or money, which I am un-willing to pay for just a 10 cent spring.
I did take the whole switch assembly apart to see what the spring looked like...it's a little smaller than a ball point pen spring in both length and diameter.


Tools and parts used:

#2 Phillips screwdriver
Small needle nose pliers (for obvious reasons)
Small pair of wire cutters
White silicone grease (for obvious reasons)
One Bic Clic ball point pen (for the new spring)
Drill bit slighly larger than the new spring, not too large! (I used a 0.182 in wire guage drill bit)

Procedure:

**Important** **CAUTION**
Do this repair procedure at your own risk and peril. The author assumes no liability for the use of this fix by anyone else. This procedure just documents the steps I used to correct the problem I had with my bike.



(I think I've worked around lawyers a bit too long).

Remove the grip (to allow the housing to clear it)
Take the housing apart
Carefully gain access to the lower half (there are very small wires used in the housing, caution must be used to ensure nothing get broken)
Remove the screws that hold the plate with the switch knob arm
Now remove the single screw that actually holds the turn signal switch in place.
Carefully remove the switch. There are two little metal balls, do not lose them.
Remove the broken spring and discard
Remove the new spring from the pen
**IMPORTANT** READ and UNDERSTAND THIS WHOLE STEP BEFORE EXECUTING IT!! Using a drill bit slightly larger than the new spring, and only using finger strength, open up the whole in the white nylon where the original spring went. This only removes a very little nylon to do this. Don't go in too far, or the detent ball (larger of the two balls) will never stay in place. Go in just enough to allow the new spring to slide in.
Clean away any nylon debris
Dry fit the spring, it should just slide in with minimal effort
The spring is too long as is, so cut about a quarter of the length off using the wire cutters
Place a little silicone grease on the end of the spring and place the larger ball on the end with the compressed coils
Carefully slide the ball and spring into the newly widened hole.
Carefully re-install the little ball between the copper contact and the top of the white nylon
Carefully slide the copper contact behind the spring and reinstall the switch assembly in the base
Reinstall the screw that holds the copper contact and back of switch in place.
Using the pliers, gently ease the copper contact that holds the little ball in place up very slightly. This allows the new larger spring to pass underneath freely when the arm is pushed in to cancel and the spring is pushing the arm back out.
Apply fresh silicone grease to all of the moving parts (it's obvious)
Re-assemble the rest of the components of the switch
Turn the bike on and check switch functionality (all switches)
Reinstall housing onto the handle bar
Reinstall the grip and grip end

Anyway, I accomplished this on my 2001 Goldwing a few nights ago. It took me about an hour once I saw what the original spring mechanism looked like. The fix is working just fine for me. Much better than paying hundreds of dollars for a whole new switch assembly.


Plus if it ever fails again, all I'll need is my bike tool kit, which now has a Bic Clic pen in it for good luck.



This link is for a 1500 switch repair...:

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/2-g ... h-fix.html
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby Uncle Fester » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:59 pm

THAT will be a tremendous help, I will attack it this week and report back , THANK YOU SO MUCH , and if the person who did the repair and posted it sees this THANK YOU TOO!
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby wingpilot08 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:10 pm

Uncle Fester wrote:THAT will be a tremendous help, I will attack it this week and report back , THANK YOU SO MUCH , and if the person who did the repair and posted it sees this THANK YOU TOO!

Take pictures of your switch..always good to reference back if thing go sour!! Good luck!!
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby MikeB » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:56 pm

The repair of the turn signal switch is documented here on this site as well, complete with pictures. Excellent write up.
http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18412&p=109378&hilit=turn+switch#p97895
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby wingpilot08 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:01 pm

That's the one I was looking for!!
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby Uncle Fester » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:20 pm

ooooh, Pictures ! I like pictures ! lol Between the two I think I have it covered now. . . . I hope ! LOL :lol:
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby wingpilot08 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:08 am

Your could also change out the bulbs (if you have an SE) on the controls to LED's...good DYI right here on this site provided by WingAdmin...

http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9667

Makes a big difference over the incandescent bulbs!

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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby Uncle Fester » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:37 am

Unfortunately I have a Aspencade, I would LOVE to have lighted controls, Hijacking my own thread, but can I UPGRADE my controls to SE Controls ?
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby wingpilot08 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:50 am

Not sure, but it may take some bucks to make changes. New controls, new wiring, etc. might be a PITA to try and do that!
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Re: Turn Signal Switch Died

Postby SidAbma » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:36 pm

Just picked up a 94 GL 1500. Turn signals were working fine. Now my left signal light won't turn off. It moves to the left and returns to the center. Even trying to help with pushing to cancel ~ it no want to cancel. Any thoughts?




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