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New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:00 pm



G'day to All,

Well I bought her!

Rode her home, first time riding a bike for over 20 years, she is heavy and I was a bit wobbly coming to a stop and cornering. I guess more practice will help but I aint going anywhere until the timing belts are changed. I ordered and paid for a set ($104 ea) but have to wait until they are air freighted over, then I will be back at work by then so I am a couple of weeks away from a ride.

Have to try and work out how things work, the radio is baffling as I have not figured out how to set a station, it only goes up to 90.0 on the FM scale, and all the good stations here are in the 90's.

There are a couple of switches where the CB radio controls would be, one turns the headlights on/off, and the other ??? so I have to trace the wiring down when I have her up on blocks to change her belts.

There are a few cracked covers, missing bits and blown globes, so I have plenty to keep me busy.

Best regards, Peter.
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#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
#7 - 1998 GL-1500C - Valkyrie

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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby redial » Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:16 pm

The timing belts are Gates "T275" for the 1500, and are manufactured by Gates (and have an Australian presence), and most Repco stores sell Gates products. So you could try there, for a start.

Some overseas radios will not work here because of the frequency differences in the bands. The FM band goes to 108 MHz here; and the CB that is standard is AM (which could stand for Ancient Modulated - but in actual fact stands for Amplitude Modulated vs Frequency Modulated). Most of Oz uses the FM CB, as it is locally known. The AM CB is what was the rage in the 70s. The newer FM CB that is used by road users is much better, and does not have the long distance range of the AM sets - so you do not get the snap, crackle, pop of the electrical storm three hundred km away.

If you do a search on this site, you will see how some people have addressed the cracking of the side panels. Make sure you change all of the fluids while you are poking around. It sounds like the GW was loved - but not too much. Servicing is an important element to the longevity of these machines, not over-servicing, but planned servicing.

Enjoy your new to you GW, and I am sure you will have lots of fun.
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby HawkeyeGL1200 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:02 am

Congratulations on your purchase. I was a little wobbly on my first Godlwing ride, and I've been riding for a long time.. LOL It takes some getting used to when you aren't familiar with riding a bike that heavy.. the back brake is the key for controlling the beast at low speeds. With a little practice, I'm sure you'll be fine.
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:08 pm

Thanks "HawkeyeGL1200" for the tip about using the rear brake, at first I thought it was a mistake to but a machine too big for me, I think I thought that when I picked up my brand new Z-1300 for the first time in 86.

I think the main thing that has thrown me off into the wobbles at low speed is the fixed fairing and instruments, I was used to seeing it all move with the handlebars.

The damn thing is like a fairground attraction with my girlfriend, her brother and my grandson (in the middle).
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3 up.
3 up.
2 up.
2 up.
I hope these miles are Dinkum.
I hope these miles are Dinkum.
Up she goes for fluid change, belt change and possibly a carbie kit as she stinks of Gas.
Up she goes for fluid change, belt change and possibly a carbie kit as she stinks of Gas.
Things are getting a little crowded in my workshop.
Things are getting a little crowded in my workshop.
I was told by the sleazy salesman that she was a Japanese import. .. would the "JA" within the serial number indicate the country of destination?
I was told by the sleazy salesman that she was a Japanese import. .. would the "JA" within the serial number indicate the country of destination?
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Engine # 2009881
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#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby Johnrmont » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:38 pm

Peter ... Congrats on your purchase ... You'll have a great time with it! I have to ask: how in the heck did you get it up on that stand on the center-stand? That's just plain scary Lookong! :roll:
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:58 pm

I just used a chain block and flexible slings, but it makes working on her much easier.

Regards, Peter.
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#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby Johnrmont » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:39 pm

Thanks for the reply Peter ... That must have been a interesting "first setup" try! Thanks for the
Picture too. :|
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:50 pm

Since I have no service history I am going through her and change all the fluids and the timing belts, and a good clean up while she is naked.

One of the screws for the air cleaner box was rusted solid, so I guess that has not been changed in a long time, had to drill the screw head off (melting the plastic a little too).

I can guess where the fuel leak and fumes come from (by the red colouring), just have to remove the birds nest of hoses to remove the carbie unit so i can service them, will be interesting as I have never done this on a GL-1500 before.

I am back at work in Telfer so she sits naked up on blocks. My workshop is getting a little crowded now.

All the best to All, Peter.
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#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
#7 - 1998 GL-1500C - Valkyrie

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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:10 am

If it was a Japanese export bike, it would have a windshield wiper:

Japanese market GL1500 with windshield wiper
Japanese market GL1500 with windshield wiper

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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby redial » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:45 pm

I was told by the sleazy salesman that she was a Japanese import. .. would the "JA" within the serial number indicate the country of destination?


The JA is the year of the model number, with the JA being 1988; KA being 1989, and so on. According to the numbers, it was manufactured in USA, as a non-California model.
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby bstig60 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:48 pm

Congrats! Looks like a very precarious perch. I wouldn't bump it too hard..........
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:40 pm

Greetings to All,

I figure that the bike is quite stable on its centre stand when on the ground, so when on a stand that could take a couple of ton I feel the same, the milk crate was my only concern, but there is not much weight on the front wheel.

Stripped her down for a good birthday and a good wash, got a new set of belts on the table ready to go in.


I have a question for the guru's.

When I pulled the carbies off there were three pipes that were not connected to anything (as per the first pic)

I guess they fit onto the two in the second pic that have been joined together (would this have made her run poorly?)

The third ??? I guess is only a drain and can just go downward under the engine?


As you can also see the spiders or whatever insects they were made themselves quite comfortable within the bike.

Have a great day, Peter.
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The three pipes in question.
The three pipes in question.
Do they go here?
Do they go here?
Spiders?
Spiders?
More spiders?
More spiders?
And even more spiders?
And even more spiders?
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby Fatwing Chris » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:00 pm

Congrats on your new Wing.
As far as the wobble when stopping,just get her stopped quick.Don't know why,but the slower you roll to a stop the more it seems to want to wander.I've had at least one of each size of Wing and the 1500 was the only one that was like this.I was thinking this myself at one point and then there was a thread on one of the forums about this exact thing.This was not due to worn out parts as some would think.I wasn't the only one that noticed it apparently.Try coming to a stop quicker when you get it back together.
If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby bstig60 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:22 pm

I haven't noticed any wandering or wobble on my 88 or the 99. You might want to check for cupping on the tires. Another possible cause could be improperly lubricated and/or adjusted steering head bearings. Those bearings should be serviced while you have the bike apart anyway.
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:46 pm

G'day All,

I am sure that all my wobble problems are the fact that it has been over 20 years since I rode a bike, also I am not a big man (my guts are) so I am on tip toes when I stop. I will get used to her once back on the road again.

I have a BIG question for the experts;

The following two pics of my carbs have what seems to be a non factory modification, JB weld or something like that, I have circled the offending bits.

Is there anything to worry about? or should this be repaired correctly?

All the best, Peter.
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#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:31 pm

Fatwing Chris wrote:Congrats on your new Wing.
As far as the wobble when stopping,just get her stopped quick.Don't know why,but the slower you roll to a stop the more it seems to want to wander.I've had at least one of each size of Wing and the 1500 was the only one that was like this.I was thinking this myself at one point and then there was a thread on one of the forums about this exact thing.This was not due to worn out parts as some would think.I wasn't the only one that noticed it apparently.Try coming to a stop quicker when you get it back together.


^^^ this. On a lighter bike, you can easily come to a gradual stop while holding the bike in an upright position. As the wheels stop turning, the gyroscopic force they impart to keep the bike upright goes away, but there isn't a huge amount of weight, so even if it is not precisely upright, you can easily compensate for it.

On a heavy bike like a Goldwing, when the gyroscopic force of the wheels goes away, if the bike isn't exactly upright, you suddenly have a very large weight that is off-balance, and it's up to you to wrestle it back upright. Whereas an off-balance amount of an inch or two is practically unnoticeable on a light bike, on a heavy bike, this can be an insurmountable mass to overcome.

The trick is to transition from gyroscopic force holding the bike up to you holding the bike up at a stop as quickly as possible. The way to do this is to brake quickly and smoothly to a stop once you get below a few mph. Don't try to be gradual and gentle - do it quickly and firmly, to bring the bike to a quick (but not sudden) stop.

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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:28 pm

Yesterday was a good day, got many things done, but the questions keep growing and I do not want to break something from lack of asking about it.

Q; how do you remove the radio aerial, I take it you put a shifter on the flat sides and just unscrew it? mine does not want to move and I don't want to break it plus the whole guts turns around, I guess there is supposed to be a pin in that hole?

Now that I have removed all the "Tupperware" I rolled her out onto the front lawn and with a bucket of soapy water gave her a good wash, then rolled her onto the driveway to dry for several hours.

Mid afternoon I rolled her into the workshop and put her up on blocks to make working on her easier.
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Radio aerial - how to undo ???
Radio aerial - how to undo ???
A bit cleaner.
A bit cleaner.
In the workshop and sling her up.
In the workshop and sling her up.
Up she goes.
Up she goes.
Down on blocks.
Down on blocks.
#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:39 pm

Now to pull her down.
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Rear wheel spider at least has some grease on it, she was a snug fit but pulled out of the rear wheel easily using a pair of heel bars.
Rear wheel spider at least has some grease on it, she was a snug fit but pulled out of the rear wheel easily using a pair of heel bars.
Apart from being filthy as the dust cover is missing (one in the post) the splines look ok.
Apart from being filthy as the dust cover is missing (one in the post) the splines look ok.
Drive shaft looks new?
Drive shaft looks new?
The splines only have a smell of grease on them.
The splines only have a smell of grease on them.
The other end looks ok and has some grease on.
The other end looks ok and has some grease on.
#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:26 pm

Continuing with the drive train.
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The coupling on the final drive looks ok, have to wash the grease off to see.
The coupling on the final drive looks ok, have to wash the grease off to see.
one end of the uni joint, looks ok but only a smell of grease.
one end of the uni joint, looks ok but only a smell of grease.
The other end the same. (just hope I can remember which end was pointing forward?
The other end the same. (just hope I can remember which end was pointing forward?
Plenty of grease where it does nothing but collect dust.
Plenty of grease where it does nothing but collect dust.
The engine output shaft looks ok but I will have to remove the rubber bootie to clean, check and lubricate on assembly.
The engine output shaft looks ok but I will have to remove the rubber bootie to clean, check and lubricate on assembly.
#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:38 pm

Now for the front end.
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Jack her up.
Jack her up.
Good old milk crates, they come in handy for so many things.
Good old milk crates, they come in handy for so many things.
Off with the front wheel.
Off with the front wheel.
Off with the forks.
Off with the forks.
Off with the steering yoke.
Off with the steering yoke.
The steering yoke took 2/3 ~ 3/4 of a turn to undo the adjusting nut (the lock nut was less than finger tight), and it felt like the bearings have flat spots on them and again only a smell of grease, clean up and try with good new grease first, if no-go then new bearings.
The steering yoke took 2/3 ~ 3/4 of a turn to undo the adjusting nut (the lock nut was less than finger tight), and it felt like the bearings have flat spots on them and again only a smell of grease, clean up and try with good new grease first, if no-go then new bearings.
#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
#7 - 1998 GL-1500C - Valkyrie

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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby Fatwing Chris » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:44 pm

bstig60 wrote:I haven't noticed any wandering or wobble on my 88 or the 99. You might want to check for cupping on the tires. Another possible cause could be improperly lubricated and/or adjusted steering head bearings. Those bearings should be serviced while you have the bike apart anyway.


I'm guessing you didn't see the part where I said that there was nothing wrong with my bike and it still was like that?Out of 6 Wings the 1500(it being the 5th) was the only one that I noticed that on and there have been more than a few threads on forums about this issue.
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby PedroTQ » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:51 pm

One day I will put some time into reading sparkplugs, but at the moment my head is full of how to get this all back together again.

Obviously the timing belts have been done, but how long ago???

You can see the chemi pen marks on the cam pulleys.

From now on it should be Clean, Inspect, Lubricate and Re-fit, and I am hoping that I do not come across too many parts that have to be renewed as this would slow me down.

All the best to Everyone.
Peter.
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Ready for todays fun with changing the belts.
Ready for todays fun with changing the belts.
#1 - 1975 GL-1000 - showroom
#2 - 1976 GL-1000 - sidecar
#3 - 1978 GL-1000 - parts
#4 - 1975 GL-1000 - parts, but had the sidecar
#5 - 1978 GL-1000 - project with grandson (secret parts source)
#6 - 1988 GL-1500 - Flagship!
#7 - 1998 GL-1500C - Valkyrie

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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby redial » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:38 pm

It looks like my shares in Moly 60 will finally come to fruitition with all those bits that were just used to "the smell of grease" that can now be properly lubricated with Moly 60. Do a search on Moly 60 on this forum and see the uses that you can put it to. From memory, Moly 60 is better than regular grease because it stays in place.

It looks like you are having fun with your GW, but you are supposed to do all that work in the winter, (do we have one?), so that it leaves the good weather for riding. It certainly looks like you are being thorough with your maintenance, good luck with putting it back together - just remember "This goes with that, and that other one goes with this other one" :roll:
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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby spiralout » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:54 am

PedroTQ wrote:
When I pulled the carbies off there were three pipes that were not connected to anything (as per the first pic)

I guess they fit onto the two in the second pic that have been joined together (would this have made her run poorly?)

The two larger hoses underneath are your coolant lines. They go on the two large hose barbs on the carb heater. These would have spit coolant had it been run with them off. My guess is that they came off without you noticing when you pulled the carbs.
PedroTQ wrote:The third ??? I guess is only a drain and can just go downward under the engine?

Correct. That is the float bowl drain and on my '96 the line that it connects to is taped to he bowl vent hose and both are routed to the rear and right of the carbs. It slips off easily because the plastic fitting is tapered. Again, probably came off when you were removing the carbs.
I'm not sure what the yellow taped hose is but I do recall the '88 had a TSB for the vent hoses. Possibly it has something to do with that.
PedroTQ wrote:The following two pics of my carbs have what seems to be a non factory modification, JB weld or something like that, I have circled the offending bits.
Is there anything to worry about? or should this be repaired correctly?
All the best, Peter.

The gunk is covering a sealed factory machining hole. Here's some pics of whats underneath from when I had my carbs off.


Hope your'e planning on overhauling those leaky carbs while you have them off. You've already done the hardest part just removing them :D

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Re: New to me 88 GL-1500

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:21 am

The steering head locknut is [img]supposed[/img] to be only finger-tight.

During installation, the bearing adjustment nut gets torqued to correctly torque the steering head bearings:

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The locking ring and then the locknut are then installed - the locknut gets installed finger tight, turned only enough so that the locking ring tabs line up with its slots:

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The locking ring tabs are bent up into the locknut slots. The top of the steering head is then installed, and its nut is torqued tight:

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It is the pressure between this very tightly-torqued nut and the locknut on the bottom side of the steering head that keeps things tight. Because the locknut is held very tightly to the bottom of the steering head top, it can't rotate; and because it is mechanically locked to the bearing adjustment nut via the locking ring, the bearing adjustment nut is also prevented from loosening.




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