1500 Timing Belts


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1500 Timing Belts

Post by hap2 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:45 am



What are the signs / symptoms that indicate timing belts on a 1500 need changing? I had one with 124,000 miles & was told that because it idled so smoothly, they didn't need changing.

And then about how long does it take to change them...IF, indeed, they need changing?

Also is $5500 CAD (4400 USD) a good price for a 92 1500SE with only 50,000 miles on it (& a trailer hitch)?



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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by virgilmobile » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:29 pm

I get my belts from NAPA.There branded "Gates".
I put on a new set when I purchase a used bike and then every other rear wheel change or 3 years.
With basic skills and reading the "how to" section,I suspect replacing them may take a few hours.Always double check before you crank it up.
Timing belts look and sound OK right up to the time they break and damage the engine.Personally I don't chance it
I spend more time cleaning the bike than it takes to slip on a new set.
The price is fair,but be aware of the cost of tires,battery,belts and all the fluid change that is usually needed.I seldom get away for less than $500 in material getting a used bike back up to its best condition.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by Mh434 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:30 pm

In Canada, that's a pretty good price, on the low side of normal range - especially considering it's an SE.

As for the timing belts, virgilmobile nailed it. There ARE no symptoms of about-to-fail belts. They're either 100%, or they're 0%...and when they go to 0%, they do so in an instant, basically totally destroying the engine in a single revolution.

The two primary reasons for failure are a) extreme high mileage (not an issue with the bike you're looking at) and, b) the passage of time. Belts break down in oxygen. It's slow, but inexorable. That's why, although Honda recommends checking them at 100,000 miles, they ALSO recommend checking them every 10 years. Yours passed the 10-year time constraint 13 years ago, so...it's time.

I just changed my belts a couple of weeks ago on my '97 SE. I took days to do it, but only because I did all 3 of the air filters, oil & filter, plugs, installed LED driving lights, etc. all at the same time (basically, I had the bike stripped to the engine & frame from the saddlebags forward).

The belts themselves probably only took a couple of hours, total, to do, and only took that long because I'm realllly anal about this kind of stuff. The belts are CHEAP, and fantastic insurance. The peace of mind, knowing that you'll probably never need to change them again as long as you own the bike, is very reassuring.

Consider this - about the ONLY things that can kill a GW engine are: 1) running it without any oil; 2) running it without any coolant; and, 3) timing belt failure. I'm sure you would never do #1 or #2, so change the belts and #3 won't happen.

I bought the proper Gates T-275 belts (both belts are the same part number) from Amazon.ca, and they were very reasonable (around $21 CDN each). They arrived at my door less than a week later.

Follow WingAdmin's excellent photo tutorial PRECISELY viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9774 and you can't go wrong. Seriously, don't think about it, just do it. You will never regret it.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by hap2 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:44 pm

I appreciate all the great information & suggestions.

Thank you VERY much.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by dingdong » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:18 am

Also keep in mind that you can't inspect the belts to determine that they are good. The old belts usually look brand new. Change them to be safe.
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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by WingAdmin » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:23 am

It you haven't read through How to remove and replace your timing belts yet, you might want to have a look - at least read through the top section, which explains a lot of this.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by hap2 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:46 am

Thank you again. I appreciate it.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by Mh434 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:01 pm

dingdong wrote:Also keep in mind that you can't inspect the belts to determine that they are good. The old belts usually look brand new. Change them to be safe.
Yup - it's interesting that Mother Honda states the belts should be "inspected" at 100K miles, as there's pretty much nothing to see. They look normal...up to the instant they break.. I'm thinking Honda's suggestion is a tongue-in-cheek way of saying you should just replace them at that mileage, but were afraid to actually come out and say it. Probably worried about litigation :roll:

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by mark5173 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:22 pm

change my timing belt tensioners last night took about 2 hours and 10 minutes got the belts from Napa had them later the same dayhad to order the tensioners from honda took 7 days bought the bike two weeks ago a 99 1500 with a hundred and sixty six thousand miles on it with no records so I figured I may as well change them Wale it runs good. change the water pump today it took about an hour it was making a little squeak noise at idle now I'm ready for vacation.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by RodneyH » Tue May 02, 2017 11:33 pm

Does anyone know if a vehicle history report will tell when or if the bike has had the timing belts changed? The guy I bought mine from inherited the bike after his dad passed away and has no idea if his dad had ever changed them out. It's a 1999 GL1500SE and it has 84,000 miles on it. Thanks.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by Dusty Boots » Wed May 03, 2017 7:21 am

Try and find out where his dad got the bike serviced. They may have records of it's service history, if he didn't do it himself!
If not, not a big job/expense to do it yourself, following the article on here how to do it. - viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9774

Cheapest place to get quality Gates timing belts is Rock Auto

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by minimac » Wed May 03, 2017 9:01 am

After reading through the How-to directions on this site, I decided to tackle this myself. I took my time, referencing the directions along the way, and was surprised how simple it was. If you can read and know which end of a wrench to hold, you can do this in a couple hours. IIRC, the recommendation is new belts every 60K miles or so, depending on use, but equally important is age. It's cheap insurance. Mine had 50K miles, looked like new, but were almost 15 years old. Looks can be deceiving! While the tupperware was off, I changed plugs, flushed the coolant, and changed the oil. It was also a good time to clean and I tied up a few loose wires.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by hap2 » Wed May 03, 2017 10:24 am

Thanks for the info, but my bike mechanic friend (who rebuilds Wings) does all that for me. Besides, after being rear-ended & the guy totaling the bike & doing a # on my physically & confidence-wise, I might just sell the bike & b done with it. I tried to go on the highway & can only go about 45 mph & I have yet to ride at night (the accident happened at night). Not too too sure what to do right now to b honest.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by RodneyH » Wed May 03, 2017 10:46 am

Thanks for the info on the timing belts. I wish I were confident enough to try to do it myself but ill have to take it to the shop to be done. The area I live in is pretty small so I might get lucky and find the service records for the bike. Changing the oil is about as far as my confidence goes when doing anything with an engine.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by WingAdmin » Wed May 03, 2017 1:06 pm

RodneyH wrote:Does anyone know if a vehicle history report will tell when or if the bike has had the timing belts changed? The guy I bought mine from inherited the bike after his dad passed away and has no idea if his dad had ever changed them out. It's a 1999 GL1500SE and it has 84,000 miles on it. Thanks.
This kind of stuff definitely doesn't show up on vehicle history reports.

The answer is: if you aren't 100% sure when the belts were last changed, then they need to be changed NOW.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by RodneyH » Sat May 06, 2017 12:09 pm

Ill go ahead and have it done, Im tired of worrying about it. Thanks for the advise. How do i go about posting an ad on this site? Im looking for full face helmet headsets for my wife and I. My 1999 GL1500SE is the pearl twilight silver with the dark silver inlay. If anyone has 2 silver helmets with the headsets already installed for sale id be interested in buying them. When I go to the classifieds section on the site I can't figure out how to post an ad. Any help will be appreciated. By the way, my bike is the 5 pin type. As far as helmet size, I think large or XL would be fine for us both. Thanks.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by offcenter » Sat May 06, 2017 9:07 pm

I recently changed the belts on my '99 using WingAdmin's excellent "how to" pictures.
Bike has 76 thousand miles and is 18 years old. The original belts were still on it.
I saw no signs of cracking or age, other than the fact that the rubber felt a bit
harder than the new Gates belts.
I should be good for another 75 thousand at least.
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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by RodneyH » Sat May 06, 2017 11:51 pm

I followed the step by step instructions on changing the oil and filter in my 82 interstate and Im still proud of that. If the instructions and pictures hadn't made it look so easy I would have never even tried that. I'm about as close to being a mechanic as I am to being the next president. The instructions and pictures on changing the belts are very precise and informative but I like my 1500 far too much to let an amateur like me screw around inside the engine. Ill go have it changed so I can concentrate on some of the other things that always seem to need attention, like brakes, tires, fluids, etc. Fun to ride but it's not cheap. They should put a chain in there rather than a rubber belt, maybe a chain would last the life of the engine.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by offcenter » Sun May 07, 2017 3:27 pm

RodneyH wrote:They should put a chain in there rather than a rubber belt, maybe a chain would last the life of the engine.
The 1800s DO have a chain.
But the belts hold up a lot better than most people
would believe.
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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by RodneyH » Sun May 07, 2017 10:09 pm

If I had know that 1800's have a chain I would've probably shopped for one of those rather than the 1500. It wouldn't be a big deal of i could do it myself but I know id screw something up. As far as that goes I wish I had learned much more about working on bikes, it sure would save me lots of money on labor charges. It hurts to have to pay 350.00 to have it changed when the belts don't cost much at all. Same thing with tires, the labor charge is as much as the tire costs.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by WingAdmin » Mon May 15, 2017 10:38 pm

RodneyH wrote:If I had know that 1800's have a chain I would've probably shopped for one of those rather than the 1500. It wouldn't be a big deal of i could do it myself but I know id screw something up. As far as that goes I wish I had learned much more about working on bikes, it sure would save me lots of money on labor charges. It hurts to have to pay 350.00 to have it changed when the belts don't cost much at all. Same thing with tires, the labor charge is as much as the tire costs.
The1800's may have chains, but they also lack the hydraulic valve lash adjusters that the GL1500's have, so the 1800 valves need periodic manual adjustment.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by RodneyH » Wed May 17, 2017 11:33 pm

I learn something new every time I browse this site. Thanks for filling me in on that wingadmin.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by Rednaxs60 » Thu May 18, 2017 1:11 am

RodneyH wrote:If I had know that 1800's have a chain I would've probably shopped for one of those rather than the 1500. It wouldn't be a big deal of i could do it myself but I know id screw something up. As far as that goes I wish I had learned much more about working on bikes, it sure would save me lots of money on labor charges. It hurts to have to pay 350.00 to have it changed when the belts don't cost much at all. Same thing with tires, the labor charge is as much as the tire costs.
I have an 1800 as well as my 1200. The 1800 has a bit of a whine from the chain at speed. You do get used to it. There are pros and cons to the 1800. Did my own air filter change - saw a YouTube video - 3 to 4 hours to change a $24.00 air filter, ouch if done by a shop. Never changed one before, took my time and it went well.

If you are handy, or not, with a wrench, the learning curve is not that bad. Make sure you have the service manuals, peruse these forums and you will probably find the information you are looking for. Compile a list of bookmarks for the jobs/work that you want to do, and take your time. Once you do this you can determine if the time to do the work is worth having a third party do it or yourself. Maybe it is better to get the work done so you can be riding sooner than later, or laying the bike up for a longer period of time works well. I like to keep the work/maintenance packages small so that I do the work then get back out riding. This has worked well for me over the past 18 months.

Be selective on what tools you buy for the work being done. Buying these package deals may seem to be a good deal, but I would submit that most of us have done this and most of the tools bought this way do not get used. If you are selective with tools, buy the best you can afford, not having to replace as often, and not busting your knuckles is well worth the cost.

Any DIY or wrench turner have been in the same place as where you are. I have a son-in-law that is mechanically challenged. He and I have done a lot of work on his BMW X3 and his Moto Guzzi California touring bike that he thought he could not. A few of the items we did were also new to me. Have manual or a good YouTube video and anything is possible. if you have a friend who is a backyard mechanic of sorts, sit down and discuss what you want done. Approach the work slowly and systematically, and you will be able to do it. Start small and work up to the big stuff.

When/if you do start some work and start feeling overwhelmed, put it back together and walk away. Don't not do the work because next time you will get to the same point, feel good about what you are doing and progress past this point. Approach the work in this manner and you will get the job done.

I digress, lots of satisfaction in doing your own work and knowing that you can.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by RodneyH » Thu May 18, 2017 9:38 am

Sounds like a good plan to follow. Im sure ill eventually start taking care of routine maintience. I definetly need to be learning. Im sure at some point Im gonna be stuck in the middle of nowhere and will have to depend on what I know. Thanks for the valuable tips and encouragement.

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Re: 1500 Timing Belts

Post by tncomputergeek » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:09 pm

I can get the left pulley and crankshaft marks to line up, but the right is either a little high or a little low, can't get it to line up exactly on the mark with the other 2 lined up. Is this going to be an issue? bad belt?

Thanks for any assistance/insight to the issue.



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