No brake lights...no number 2 relay


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No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Thu May 21, 2015 10:48 am



Right here is a strange one, I was flagged down by a fellow rider today who informed me I had no brake lights, very kind man, wished it was better news though.

I thought "both lights? Ah probably the fuse I will check it when I get home"
Fuse checked, no problem there, bulbs checked, no problem there.

Relay no 2, slight problem that it isn't in the relay box where I expected it to be (between 1 and 3)

Were there any other locations that the brake relay was fitted? From what I know about my Wing it's a 1990 and that's about it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as it's my daily ride.



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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby WingAdmin » Thu May 21, 2015 12:19 pm

Earlier GL1500's did not use a relay for the brake lights - the brake switches were connected directly to the brake lights. I'm not 100% sure at what point that they switched to having a relay for the brake lights, I know that 1994's had them. Apparently your 1990 did not.

Is your horn working? How about turn signals?

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Thu May 21, 2015 12:38 pm

Thanks for the reply, everything else is working as it should, horn, indicators, head and side lights.

I originally thought I may have blown a fuse as I was fitting a new accessory socket yesterday but all the fuses in the box are fine.

Any ideas where to start? Electrical fault finding isn't my forte (being colour blind doesn't help)

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu May 21, 2015 12:47 pm

heres something i found that might be of some help.............

The relays on the 1500 are located in various places, The main unit is behind the left side cover just below the seat. Other relays are mounted under the seat and at the side of the battery. The relay box has it's own cover with an identification legend on the back of the front cover, however this can be at times confusing so we shall have a list of the relays and what they actually control.

hope this helps ya.

stuart.

Relay description

Supplies power to:


Ignition Cruise relay

Supplies Engine control and Cruise control systems


Starter Relay Sw (A)

Supplies power to Starter relay Sw B


Starter Relay Sw (B)

Supplies power to Starter motor


Relay 1


Horn & Turn indicator relay


Relay 2

Brake lights relay


Relay 3


Tail lights (main relay)


Relay 4

High beam relay


Relay 5

Air pump


Relay 6

Ignition cruise relay


Relay 7

Position relay


Relay 8

Headlight Low relay

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Thu May 21, 2015 1:06 pm

Thanks Stuart, there is definitely no relay 2.

Checked the front brake switch and it is getting power through when the lever is pulled so I think it's working correctly.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Thu May 21, 2015 1:09 pm

As a side note a previous owner has really butchered the loom on this by making up their own wiring for the trunk and pannier side lights.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu May 21, 2015 1:31 pm

im glad you were able to find out about that relay missing and glad to hear you can use your front brake lever to make your stop lights work for now. at least you can feel a little safer while your riding, but don't forget to use your front lever AND your brake peddle so your stop lights will light up, but for the other wires, that bites. now its up to YOU to trace the wires up to the main harness and redo all that wiring to get it right.........is it possible that the rear stop light switch could be bad too? if you need the relay, i found one on eBay, here's a link for it.....http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Honda-GL15 ... 1f&vxp=mtr

i THINK its the correct one for your bike.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Thu May 21, 2015 1:35 pm

It's not that it's missing, it was never fitted.

It's just switches on the brake lever/pedal on my model

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu May 21, 2015 2:34 pm

oh, ok.......if the brake peddle has a switch to it is it possible that the switch is no good? if it turns out that your switch is bad, here's a link to another one that might fit......http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Honda-GL15 ... a2&vxp=mtr

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Thu May 21, 2015 3:09 pm

Right I have been doing some testing and both brake switches work, power going in, power coming out but the power doesn't get as far as the brake light?? With there being no relay on this circuit would it be a fuse instead? Or is it more likely to be fried wiring.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby WingAdmin » Thu May 21, 2015 3:14 pm

crimbo79 wrote:Right I have been doing some testing and both brake switches work, power going in, power coming out but the power doesn't get as far as the brake light?? With there being no relay on this circuit would it be a fuse instead? Or is it more likely to be fried wiring.


If there's power getting to the switches, then it's not a fuse. Pull the trunk undercover and check to see if you have power there when the brakes are on.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu May 21, 2015 3:42 pm

wingadmin, you might be onto something here, 3 things come to mind, you say you have power going to and from the switches, it could be a cut wire,(since you said that a PO did his own wiring,) a wire is broken or pinched, or, if you have double element bulbs, one of the elements in the bulbs could be burned out.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Fri May 22, 2015 11:55 am

Thanks for the input peeps, after a morning of staring at the bodging that has been done by a PO not having a relay became a bit of a bonus!!

After tracing the power from the front brake switch as far as a bullet connector just infront of the trunk (where it should be in one of the big connector blocks!!) it all started getting a bit messy where the wiring had all been chopped up to splice in home made harnesses for the trunk and saddle bag side lights. As you can imagine I was nearly in tears but then a figurative light bulb lit up above my head.

As the power for the bulb is sent directly from the switch all I need to do is get it there. My simple solution for now was to run a new wire from the switch, cable tied to the handlebar, down along the frame to the right rear light cluster then over to the left (pretty ugly but does the job) I now have functioning brake lights from the front lever, next job is to splice a line in from the rear brake switch to tide me over until I can source a replacement loom.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri May 22, 2015 2:22 pm

hey that's great. at least now you have some kind of stop lights so you don't get "run over" by the person behind you. it don't matter how ugly is looks, just as long as it works.....for now anyway. better having some kind of lights back there than none at all. i'll do some research on the harness and see if i can find one for ya. exactly which harness do you need. what is the exact model of the wing you have.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Fri May 22, 2015 2:25 pm

I want to "upgrade" to a later SE model loom so I can get the proper sub harnesses at someppoint

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri May 22, 2015 2:40 pm

i have some friends that own a motorcycle salvage yard near me that i get some of my wing parts from. they have about 40 wrecked Goldwings in their building and most of them are 1984 and up. here's a link to their website.....http://www.autocyclers.biz/ maybe they have what your looking for. i don't know if they ship out of country, but its worth finding out. if they have what you need but wont ship it to you, maybe we can make arrangements for you to pay for it, i'll go and get it and ship it from where i live to you. all it would cost is the shipping charges. I'd be happy to do this for you if you cant find what your looking for where you are.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby crimbo79 » Fri May 22, 2015 2:43 pm

Thanks for that I will look into it over the weekend.

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Re: No brake lights...no number 2 relay

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri May 22, 2015 3:46 pm

crimbo79 wrote:Thanks for that I will look into it over the weekend.


ok, let me know what your going to do and if i can help, i will.

stuart.




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