OEM tires or substitute.


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OEM tires or substitute.

Postby Sawdust62 » Tue May 26, 2015 9:23 pm



I recently bought my first Goldwing, a 99 GL1500A. Two weeks later I ran over a nail in the parking lot, Aaaaarrrrrrggggg! So my question, after calling several local shops and checking online at sites like Motorcycle Superstore, is the difference and/or recommendation for going with the OEM Dunlop K177 160/80-16 or a substitute of the same size. The K177 runs about $200, but a local shop has a Dunlop 204 160/80-16 for $125. What is the difference between the K177 and the 204 (I think he said it was a D204) that is speed rated to 130mph. Is it recommended to only use the OEM spec tire, what options do I have? Any recommendations are welcome.
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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby raven41951 » Tue May 26, 2015 9:33 pm

I also looked at buying original spec tires. Checked everywhere but nobody local had them. The local Honda Dealer had E-3s and at a premium of $75 over what I could have bought them over the internet and they included mounting and balancing, it was a no brainer. Tires on mine were 12 years old and hard as a rock and the E-3s are a world of difference. You will get differing views but my recommendation is to forget trying to find tires that were spec'd out 16 years ago and buy some good new bias ply tires. I love mine. Even dragged the foot on the ground today they corner so good. And I am a chicken having gone down on a corner many years ago.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby Sawdust62 » Tue May 26, 2015 9:41 pm

raven41951 wrote:I also looked at buying original spec tires. Checked everywhere but nobody local had them. The local Honda Dealer had E-3s and at a premium of $75 over what I could have bought them over the internet and they included mounting and balancing, it was a no brainer. Tires on mine were 12 years old and hard as a rock and the E-3s are a world of difference. You will get differing views but my recommendation is to forget trying to find tires that were spec'd out 16 years ago and buy some good new bias ply tires. I love mine. Even dragged the foot on the ground today they corner so good. And I am a chicken having gone down on a corner many years ago.


Can you give me the full name/spec on the E-3 tires? I'm new at this and know almost nothing at this point.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby TAZZ » Wed May 27, 2015 3:04 am

Sawdust62 Hi you can not used the dunlop D204 on your goldwing cause is a RADIAL tire. Your bike used BASIC tire NOT radial tire radial is for the 1800.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby detdrbuzzard » Wed May 27, 2015 3:59 am

I just ordered a Dunlop e-3 rear tire for my 1500 wing, cost $174.56 from American motorcycle tire with free shipping
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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby Bigbiker0 » Wed May 27, 2015 6:09 am

TAZZ wrote:Sawdust62 Hi you can not used the dunlop D204 on your goldwing cause is a RADIAL tire. Your bike used BASIC tire NOT radial tire radial is for the 1800.

You can use radial tires as long you get 2 tires radial .Never use bias and radial on the same bike.
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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby tfdeputydawg » Wed May 27, 2015 7:37 am

1. Make sure you use RideOn(unless you have a 1800 w/TPMS) Yes, I know the OP has a 1500!
2. If the tread is good on the tire w/the nail, I would have it patched!

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby Bigbiker0 » Wed May 27, 2015 8:10 am

Yes if the nail is not on the sidewall of the tire. If so replace it.
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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby RBGERSON » Wed May 27, 2015 8:16 am

There is always the darkside.. 8-) but as tires go one thing to check is the load rating 1500's are heavy make sure the tire is rated for the weight. Lots of other choices out there Shinko, bridgestone, dunlap, and others. Lots of threads on tires, re wear, cornering, singing or not, snake following or not, and again the darkside guys.
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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby Sawdust62 » Wed May 27, 2015 9:01 am

Bigbiker0 wrote:Yes if the nail is not on the sidewall of the tire. If so replace it.


it went diagonally through from the bottom to the sidewall. It was about a 2 1/2" nail left over from renovations to the building where I work.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby raven41951 » Wed May 27, 2015 9:35 am

Unfortunately, my bike and all the paperwork (I keep all receipts for proof of work) are at my store where I garage it and is 21 miles away. Tire specs are inside the trunk lid. Just use those. There has been quite a bit of discussion of radial vs bias ply tires. I for one do not see an advantage to using radials if the machine's suspension they are going on, be it bike or car or atv was designed for bias ply.

That said, I am very pleased with the performance of the E-3s. Longevity is something that will have to be followed through their lifetime.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby Sawdust62 » Wed May 27, 2015 9:32 pm

raven41951 wrote:Unfortunately, my bike and all the paperwork (I keep all receipts for proof of work) are at my store where I garage it and is 21 miles away. Tire specs are inside the trunk lid. Just use those. There has been quite a bit of discussion of radial vs bias ply tires. I for one do not see an advantage to using radials if the machine's suspension they are going on, be it bike or car or atv was designed for bias ply.

That said, I am very pleased with the performance of the E-3s. Longevity is something that will have to be followed through their lifetime.


Sorry, what I meant was, what is an E-3? I searched several sites and found the Dunlop Elite-3 tire that you referenced. I'm new to goldwings and am not familiar with some of the lingo.
P.S. I ordered the E-3 earlier today, thanks for the advise everyone.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby Johnrmont » Wed May 27, 2015 11:20 pm

My friend and I installed the Dunlop E-3 Radials and we love them! We both have GL1500's. :mrgreen:
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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby Happytrails » Sat May 30, 2015 7:53 am

Maybe also consider Avon's, Metzler, Bridgestone or Shinko. I'm probably missing another brand. I have Avon Venom's installed and they are a very good tire too. Like many of you I buy my tires online then take them in to be installed. Last time in my local dealer was charging $50 per tire just to install them on a rim I brought in.
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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby rzaugg » Sat May 30, 2015 11:55 pm

Just out of curiosity, if anyone has tried it, what happens when you mix Bias ply, and radials on a bike. I kind of remember how it feels on a car, never tried it on a bike.

To elaborate, bike had new rear tire when I bought it, front tire will make it one more year. First ride on the bike, I noticed that it follows the grooves in the pavement really bad. I won't even go where I know the asphalt has been scrubbed. Makes the bike feel like it is really high centered. Front tire is a Dunlop 491, don't really know what is on the back, once I find the valve to check pressure, I stand up, start up and go.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby harvey01 » Sun May 31, 2015 12:21 pm

Sawdust62,

Tires are an item much debated by all motorcyclists. some of us are very particular about which tire we will or won't buy. I for one am a Dunlop fan after about 400,000 miles of experience with them. But that does not mean that Avon, Michelin, Metzler do not build good tires.

I would urge you to do a google search of each tire manufacturer and go to their website and see what tire they recommend for your bike. They will ask for year, brand, model number and so forth to direct you to the correct tire and size for your bike. And then I would make a list by manufacturer of the tires they recommend and then I would start checking and comparing prices with different online sellers such as J&P, motorcycle superstore, HDL, and others to include your own local dealer. Don't forget to include mounting and balanceing charges if you cannot do it yourself.

Tire balancing methods today do include the use of old fashioned weights, chemical in the tire such as RideON(messy at change time), Dyna Beads or Counteract beads.
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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby otto1 » Sun May 31, 2015 5:40 pm

Bigbiker0 wrote:
TAZZ wrote:Sawdust62 Hi you can not used the dunlop D204 on your goldwing cause is a RADIAL tire. Your bike used BASIC tire NOT radial tire radial is for the 1800.

You can use radial tires as long you get 2 tires radial .Never use bias and radial on the same bike.



Do not use Radials on the GL1500. It is designed for Bias Ply tires. The 1800 is a different beast and it is designed for radial.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby otto1 » Sun May 31, 2015 5:48 pm

Personally I Iike the Metzler ME880. They come in the stock size in biasply construction I have been using them for years. . I have used the Dumblaps and have found that at about half life they are noticeable worse in the rain. Metzler make motorcycle tires and only motorcycle tires. Tires are one thing you should never skimp on and they should be changed at 5-6 years regardless of the tread depth. Waiting 12 years to change tires is an accident waiting to happen.

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby otto1 » Sun May 31, 2015 6:14 pm

RBGERSON wrote:There is always the darkside.. 8-) .


Yes there is the dark side. Motorcycle wheels and tires have a different bead than automotive wheels and tires. There is a reason for that and that's all I'm sayin'

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Re: OEM tires or substitute.

Postby bstig60 » Sun May 31, 2015 8:16 pm

You will get 1001 opinions on tires. Personally I go for the best quality I can find at the best price. I am on my second set of Kenda Kruz tires. The first set, I sold the bike after about 6000 miles on the tires and they were fine, btw, they are still on the bike. I have them on my 99 with a little more than 8000 miles on them and they are good for at least that much more. I paid $210 for the pair shipped to my home from Motorcycle Superstore. The Kenda Kruz are the same spec at the OEM tires, but much better quality. Dunlop E3's or Avon Venoms would have cost me $200 for one tire. I use Dinobeads for balancing and they work well.


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