Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.


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Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby sanglasmick » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:20 am



Hey all.

I have just bought a 1996 GL1500 with 63K miles. The indicators do not self cancel, nor will they turn off by pressing the indicator switch in. I have to press slightly in the other direction to cancel.

I have opened up the switch and cleaned contacts, nothing seems broken or out of place. I haven't looked at or for a self cancelling unit yet. I'd be happy to cancel by pushing the switch.

Any suggestions?



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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby crock4 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:00 pm

I'm having the same issue on my 01 1800. It worked fine before I changed all the bulbs, and flasher to led. After that it does exactly the same thing as sanglasmick described in his post.
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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby Dogsled » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:49 pm

Before you start tearing stuff apart to lubricate re the 'HOW TO ARTICLES'. Sounds like another cheapo Honda switch needs cleans. As far as the 1800, don't know anything about them. Scott did a nice review on getting to the inside of the switches.....
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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby sanglasmick » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:34 pm

Thanks Guys,

I did lubricate with silicone spray after cleaning the switch, without success.

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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:41 am

The "push to shut off signals" function of the turn switch on the GL1500 simply sends a signal to the turn signal auto-cancel control unit and causes it to trigger its shutoff function. There are several connectors in between the switch and the turn signal canceller that could be suspect. You have cleaned the switch, so assuming it is functioning correctly, the only thing remaining is the turn signal canceller itself. It is located inside the steering stem, and is removed from the bottom:

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Getting to it takes a bit of work, you can see the procedure as part of How to remove and replace your steering head bearings.

Are your turn signal lights themselves original, or have they been replaced with LEDs?

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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby Dogsled » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:12 am

Scott, did you read the part where he said just pushing the switch in wouldn't cancel it and that he had to push it to the side a bit. This was what made me think the switch itself has issues, if he has to do that. He didn't say if spraying the switch rectified that problem.
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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby sanglasmick » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:16 am

Thanks guys,

Spraying the switch did not cure the problem. I will pull the self cancelling unit and check the other connections over the weekend.
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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby Dogsled » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:21 pm

Just don't do what I originally did.......spray the wrong place that would have made the switch operate correctly.......GOOD LUCK
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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:15 pm

Dogsled wrote:Scott, did you read the part where he said just pushing the switch in wouldn't cancel it and that he had to push it to the side a bit. This was what made me think the switch itself has issues, if he has to do that. He didn't say if spraying the switch rectified that problem.


Yes - pushing it to the side a bit will disconnect the light slightly, just enough to allow the latched relay to unlatch. The only thing pushing the switch in does is close a switch that is connected to the turn canceler that tells it to unlatch that same relay and stop the flashing. So it would make sense that if the canceler is bad, pushing in the switch could have no effect.

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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby CMReynolds1 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:06 am

Crock4,
You may want to check this out. I switched to LED turn signals on my F6B (1800) and had issues for them to work correctly. However, Cyclemax sells a flasher unit that will allow the LEDs to work correctly. I put it in and no more issues. You may want to check it out to get the 1800 working correctly.

http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/gl1800_ ... /73/166397
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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby crock4 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:27 pm

CMReynolds1 wrote:Crock4,
You may want to check this out. I switched to LED turn signals on my F6B (1800) and had issues for them to work correctly. However, Cyclemax sells a flasher unit that will allow the LEDs to work correctly. I put it in and no more issues. You may want to check it out to get the 1800 working correctly.

http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/gl1800_ ... /73/166397

I installed the flasher unit when I changed to led bulbs. got everything from Cyclemax. Learned the hard way bulbs only work one way.if you have to unplug it, and turn it around make sure to hold the base or bulb will come apart. 25.00 oops. Anyway going to check flasher make sure right wires on right terminals. Only thing I can think of, as it worked fine before.
Apologies to sanglasmick I did not mean to hijack your post. Just seemed weird we both had the same issue. I suspect though caused by completely different issues. Thanks to all for input. I now have a better underunderstanding of how the system works.
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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby rgmr250 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:36 pm

I had a similar problem My self-cancelling signals were cancelling/working, but it was difficult to manually cancel my signals. The signal switch didn't seem to 'spring' back out when pressed, so the switch would stay more or less in the direction it was pressed and wouldn't go back to the middle position. So I took the switch apart and there's a small spring (about .75" long) that was broken (I saw somebody else on a forum have the same problem), so I fixed the spring (for now by soldering it back together) and problem solved (it will break again, and I'll have to do a proper repair by replacing that spring). If, the spring is broken, it may be leaving the signal switch 'on' which causes the self-cancelling not to work? If you press 'in' on the signal switch to manually cancel, does the switch 'spring' back out? If not, you may have the same problem as I did. If it does spring back out, then it's likely something else.

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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby sanglasmick » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:26 am

Thanks rgmr250,

But my indicator switch does pop back out itself when pushed in. I think I need to check the connections between the self cancelling unit and switch gear. I have a new front tyre ordered and should be fitting it this week so I'll dig a little deeper when the front end is off.

Thanks.

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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby redial » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:32 am

So I took the switch apart and there's a small spring (about .75" long) that was broken (I saw somebody else on a forum have the same problem), so I fixed the spring (for now by soldering it back together) and problem solved (it will break again, and I'll have to do a proper repair by replacing that spring).


I have heard that a retractable ball point pen spring is a reasonable substitute.
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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby rgmr250 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:23 pm

redial wrote:
So I took the switch apart and there's a small spring (about .75" long) that was broken (I saw somebody else on a forum have the same problem), so I fixed the spring (for now by soldering it back together) and problem solved (it will break again, and I'll have to do a proper repair by replacing that spring).


I have heard that a retractable ball point pen spring is a reasonable substitute.


A pen spring appears to be too large in diameter to go into the hole (may depend on the pen, but all that I looked at were too large). In one post, somebody made the hole that the spring goes into larger, but I didn't want to irreversibly change the mechanism inside the switch. Unfortunately, I didn't measure the length and diameter of the spring while I had it out, so if it fails again, I'll have to take it out and measure it to get a suitable replacement (instead of getting a replacement ahead of time...)

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Re: Non cancelling indicators 96 GL1500.

Postby rgmr250 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:27 pm

sanglasmick wrote:Thanks rgmr250,

But my indicator switch does pop back out itself when pushed in. I think I need to check the connections between the self cancelling unit and switch gear. I have a new front tyre ordered and should be fitting it this week so I'll dig a little deeper when the front end is off.

Thanks.


Yes, if your indicator springs back out when you push it, then it definitely doesn't sound like the problem I had. It's odd that the manual cancel doesn't work, although looking at the inner workings of that switch, it's actually pretty complicated.




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