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Curley1958
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Oil

Postby Curley1958 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:48 am



Just changed oil on my 1998 GL1500. Used Castrol ACT-EVO 4t 20-50W. Since the oil change clutch has been acting funky. Hard to shift up or down plus doesn't seem to fully disengage. Any suggestions? Oil relate I am guessing.



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Re: Oil

Postby dingdong » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:22 am

The 20/50 could be your problem. Have you been using it pryer to this oil change or is this a new thing?

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Re: Oil

Postby Curley1958 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:09 am

Last oil change was by Service center of local shop. I am not aware of what they used in that oil change.

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Re: Oil

Postby tfdeputydawg » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:11 am

I have never seen 50W suggested for any Gold Wing!!!!!!
Anyway, I changed to Mobile 1 4T (10W40) motorcycle oil and now have very smooth up and down shifts on my GoldWing!

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Re: Oil

Postby Curley1958 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:22 am

Just talked to service shop where last oil change was done and they used 10-40W. They suggested changing back to 10-40W to see if that is issue.

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Re: Oil

Postby dingdong » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:24 am

In regard to my earlier post about the 20/50 being the problem, I have used 20/50 in the summer months. Here in Oklahoma the temps reach 100 regularly in July and August. I have had no problems with the weight of the oil. The Honda 4 cylinder Wings manuals recommendations allow 10/40 and also 20/50 from 15º and above. I have used it in my 1500 also. Both of my bikes run quieter and shift smoother with the 20/50 compared to 10/40 oil. 2 years ago I switched over to Delo 15/40 in both bikes with excellent results. They still run quiet and shift smoother than with the 10/40.

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Re: Oil

Postby Curley1958 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:48 am

Bike started to shift a little easier once it warmed up but still tough. Going to change oil to 10-40W today to see if an issue.

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Re: Oil

Postby Curley1958 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:04 am

Oil used:
•Specifications
◦SAE 20W-50
◦Exceeds JASO MA-2
◦Exceeds API SG

•Perfectly developed for wet clutched were the whole mechanism is soaked in oil.
•Trizone has been developed to ensure a smoother and more predictable gearbox, meaning a much more enjoyable ride.
•Developed with advanced ZDDP to protect against gear pitting and scruffs, meaning much healthy gear surfaces over a prolonged time.

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Re: Oil

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:06 pm

I don't know if you already changed the oil, but you may want to look at the oil level on your dipstick, if not. I also used the 20-50 Mobil1 Bike Oil, since I live in Florida, where it's just plain hot all year long. I was not happy with the shifting either. Very stiff. I had previously used Rotella T4 non-synthetic, and Rotella T6 full synthetic, and was not happy with the shift smoothness on either of those oils.
I then tried Valvoline 10-40 synthetic bike oil, and was pretty happy with it. But, simultaneously, changed how I was refilling the crankcase. The manual says it takes 3.9 qts. to refill, so I had just refilled it with most of a 4 quart bottle. I had noticed, that refill method always put the oil level to the top of the flat dipstick area, not at the marked spot on the stick. With the Valvoline Bike Oil, I found that to achieve a proper fill level only required 3.5 qts. When I filled it to the dipstick mark, with the Valvline Synthetic, my shifting was greatly improved.
At that point, I remembered similar experiences on my bikes from years ago. Overfilling the crankcase, at all, will lead to tight shifting. I'm now using Mobil1 10-40 Bike Oil, and having the same smooth shifting, with the oil at the proper level. And that was again only 3.5 qts. So my conclusion is that the Rotella and the Mobil 20-50 might have been fine, had the level been correct.
Anyway, I was going to suggest you make sure the oil is at the full mark on the stick, just in case you have been filling it to the specified quantity, as I was. On my bike, the spec'd quantity is wrong.
As an interesting side note. We just changed the oil in my son-in-law's, new to him, VTX1800. the service manual, and owners manual both spec 3.8 qts for a full crankcase. Based on my experience, we filled his bike with 3.5 qts. and it wasn't even touching the dipstick. We put in more, and still no show on the stick. Put the entire bottle of 4 qts. and it just started to touch the bottom of the dipstick. Anyway, in the end, we wound up with 4.5 qts. of oil in the case in order for the dipstick to register at the center stick mark. More oil than was specified by Honda for a full change.
So, read the manual. It will tell you the amount to use, but the correct amount is what shows on the dipstick. Just my experience. Thought it might help your situation.

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Re: Oil

Postby Curley1958 » Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:51 am

Thanks for the reply's. Will change oil to 10-40 and make sure level is correct. Doing it today. Followup when completed.

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Re: Oil

Postby billbob » Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:56 am

I use Delo 15w-40 in my 98 gl500 SE and works great. :D

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Re: Oil

Postby Curley1958 » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:37 pm

Well don't I feel like a fool. Wasn't oil at all. It was the clutch master cylinder was low. Filled up and everything working grest.

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Re: Oil

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:47 pm

Hadn't thought about suggesting that. I assumed it had been working fine, until the oil was changed. However, you need to find out why your clutch fluid was low. In my experience, that fluid stays pretty much full between changes every 2 years. Almost has to be caused by the clutch slave cylinder leaking. If it were a hose, I suspect you'd have already noticed it. I've read of folks having a slow leak in the slave, and not noticing it since it gets lost while riding. There is a weep hole under the cylinder that may show signs of fluid. However that hole has been known to plug up, and cause much bigger problems. Check the slave for leakage, and your hoses. I suppose it could also be the master, but that should be really obvious.

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Re: Oil

Postby detdrbuzzard » Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:26 pm

Curley1958 wrote:Well don't I feel like a fool. Wasn't oil at all. It was the clutch master cylinder was low. Filled up and everything working grest.

I just read this and was going to ask if you checked the clutch master cylinder
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Re: Oil

Postby Curley1958 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:57 pm

Clutch was working fine prior to oil change. I guess Murpyhy's law.




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