My bike just quit


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My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:43 pm



I was returning from a trip up into the mts. near payson az. Cruising along at 70MPH.all of sudden the bike quit on me. I down shifted she sputtered a bit but still wasn't firing well..crossed a couple of lanes..sputtering and then she died. On the side of the road..now the starter won't even turn over..lights, idiot lights, radio all working. Had gas, stop/run switch on run, reverse light not on except for the 2 second key on time. I let the bike sit while I thought about things..checked the battery 12.35 volts, moved the kill switch back and forth, wiggled the wires coming out of the kill switch..still nothing all lights work but the starter wouldn't spin. Once it did spin for a second..but no start. Thinking back maybe I held the clutch in on that try, she could have been in gear on the other tries??? .but not sure. Trailer-ed it home..haven't touch anything but now the starter spins every time I hit the starter button..but she won't start. I do smell gas after I try to start her like she's flooding.

So where to start??? Broken/leaking fuel line so no gas gettign to the carbs??? Pull the right side panels and pull all three plugs to see if I have spark, open the kill switch and look for short?? (although with the kill switch turned to off I get nothing per the manual), pull the seat and check the fuel pump..to see if it's pumping(although I do get a heavy gas smell when I turn her over)????

Thoughts..


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Re: My bike just quit

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:38 pm

The fact that the starter won't spin points entirely to electrical. The first thing to do is check your master fuse!

Do you have any electrical accessories working? Headlight? Radio? Brake lights? If so, which ones?

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby harvey01 » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:47 pm

Since you did not mention the gas smell till you got home, I tend to think the problem is more electrical.

However your description of it cutting off sounds like running out of gas. Everything after that would have me thinking electrical. So I would start with the gas tank, and the gas lines. Once I knew everything was getting gas I would start with the battery.

Have you put a charger on the battery?

I would try a jump start just to see what happens. You could test the battery with a voltage meter when cranking to see if the voltage falls below 12 volt. If it gets below 10, I would pull the battery and take to an auto parts place for a load test.

If battery is okay then start checking all fuses involved in the ignition system, and make sure the kill switch is set to run.
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:56 pm

The starter spins just fine now that's it's in my garage..I think that while on the highway it was in gear..so wouldn't spin, I was just to distracted to notice???

The starter circuit/starter seems to be fine now, spins every time I try it. Battery shows 12.35 or so volts sitting. I'll put a meter on it while I am hitting the starter button and see what it shows..but last night I tried to start it several times in a row and it spun each time like 5 or 6 tries before I gave up. I stopped trying when the battery showed only 11.5 volts at rest. I charged the battery this morning for an hour or two still shows 12.65 at rest.

All the lights work, radio etc. too! I checked the big bone bog fuses and the fuse on the A relay/solenoid it's good too!

I just hate taking the plastic off and gettign it all back on...it's such a PITA..I'd like to narrow it down so I only take off what's needed to find the issue.
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby Aussie81Interstate » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:40 pm

If you have one of the plugs out - or even a spare spark plug and ground it against the motor somewhere to confirm you have spark,

If you have plenty of spark - then I would check the fuel delivery - disconnect fuel line from after the filter - and see if it pumps out fuel when turning the bike over.

Hope that helps

Plastics -taking them off and putting them back on - a real PITA.

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:05 pm

yep, those are two of my thoughts but I have to take a bunch of stuff off to get to either plugs or fuel lines..thought about hooking up a temporary fuel source and seeing if she'd start but again gettign at the fuel line into the carbs means the seat and center shelter have to come off..most likely..I may be able to get the line off the petcock but it will be a challenge...given where it is...
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:41 am

Just now able to get into this..update..I pulled the battery did a load check and the battery is bad..can this have stopped a running bike in it's tracks??? The battery will crank the bike several times w/o issues, no start but cranks well. The stater shows charging at 14v+..it's a compufire set up while I was ridding before it stopped dead on the highway.

So I am going to install a AGM batter today and hope she fires right up..
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby Mh434 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:17 pm

Yep - classic GL1500 bad-battery symptoms. They get to the point where there's either enough juice to spin it over, OR enough to provide spark...but not both. If the old battery wasn't an AGM type, it could be that the alternator eventually fried it, as it's said that the much higher output of the aftermarket high-powered alternators are just too much for regular batteries.

I suspect that your new AGM will fix it.

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby Charlie1Horse » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:16 pm

I recently had a similar problem with my 92 Interstate while on a Wednesday morning ride with the guys for lunch. It just quit on the ride. After having it trailered home and spending a day tracing the wiring diagram and seeking help here I found that after 23 years and 78,000 miles the vibrations at the handlebar had loosened the terminals under the kill switch. 2 screws separates the switch off the handlebar and then you can see if the wire terminals are tight. I tightened them and problem solved. My remedy is to write on my bike's registration form "CHECK KILL SWITCH" so that once a year when I get ready to renew my registration I am reminded to check these terminal screws. Then I write this on the next registration for next year's reminder. It only takes 5 minutes to check once a year and it doesn't cause a problem any more. I hope this helps.

Those who say it can't be done should try not to interrupt those who are doing it.

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:44 am

Worth a look thanks................
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby harvey01 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:30 pm

Make sure you charge that battery before installation. Check the directions prior to install and follow! This will help the battery last longer.

Yes the battery failing could cause exactly what you describe as well as other things.
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:30 pm

Went the extra ,mile bought a AMG from pep boys..got it home..dead so I charged it even though they are supposed to come fully charged..tried again in the A.M. charged but dropped to under 8.5 V's after just two tries at spinning the starter which it did.. crap right out of the box,,PRO-SPORT..PROBABLY SAT ON A SHELF AT PEP BOYS FOR YEARS??? :?
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby harvey01 » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:11 pm

RBGERSON wrote: charged but dropped to under 8.5 V's after just two tries at spinning the starter which it did.. crap right out of the box,,PRO-SPORT..PROBABLY SAT ON A SHELF AT PEP BOYS FOR YEARS??? :?


Obviously bad, hopefully they will get you a new one or your money back. You might check to see if the manufacture date is on the battery just to see how old it is.

I have had good luck with a NAPA powersport AGM, but I try to get the Yuasa and have found Direct line parts.com to be a good source for an online supplier and they do deliver directly to my door. Yes the Yuasa costs more but I have always gotten good performance.
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:51 am

finally got a good new AGM battery in the bike still no start.

So I guess I will start with the fuel delivery..easy place to check at the fuel filter line..will update as I go...

Couple of Q's..
will it still crank but not start if the side stand switch show the side stand is down...mines up but wonder if that switch could be bad??? or the angle bank sensor same Q???
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby Mh434 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:59 am

So, just to clarify...it spins over fine, and you have spark while it's cranking? If so, then yes, it would have to be a fuel problem. If you haven't tried that test (it can be awkward to do - a second set of hands can be useful, but it can be done by one person), it's worth it IMHO, as it pretty much takes ignition problems (like the kill switch, ignition switch, etc.) out of the equation.

Sorry for your troubles - it sure seemed like the classic cranks-but-won't-start battery problem initially. I'm certain it will be something simple...you'll find it!

Keep us posted...

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:08 pm

RBGERSON wrote:finally got a good new AGM battery in the bike still no start.

So I guess I will start with the fuel delivery..easy place to check at the fuel filter line..will update as I go...

Couple of Q's..
will it still crank but not start if the side stand switch show the side stand is down...mines up but wonder if that switch could be bad??? or the angle bank sensor same Q???


The bike should crank (and start) with the side stand down if the bike is in neutral. If the bike is not in neutral, it will neither crank nor run.

Same goes for the bank angle sensor - the bike will neither crank nor run if it has been triggered, until the ignition is turned off and back on again.

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:29 pm

OK..first a rant..having to pull the lower chin guard, the upper plastic thing above the guard, the whole right side lower fairing just to get to the plugs...sucks!!!

But I have spark on all three on the right side 1-3-5..so I figure my electric is OK..coils, Engine control module, ignition switch, run/stop switch etc.

So on to the fuel system..
Have I said how much I hate pulling the seat..mine is never easy to line back up to get the bolts back in!!!
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby Mh434 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:33 pm

Given that, I suppose I'd start with the fuel filter. Doesn't take much to clog 'em.

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:16 pm

OK..tried the fuel system..after the filter hooked up a tube into a jug..cranked the engine got a very weak flow,, took the filter off and ran some water through w/o a lot of pressure..water flowed easily just holding it under a faucet. With the filter off..crank her again with the hose in a jug..weak stream but gas coming out..anyone know the volume it should be say for 30 second ???

Ok I looked it up one minute 21.oz 640cc..but says to use a 5 second test and multiple by 12..
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:25 pm

Ok did my test my pump is running at about half what should be..3/4 of an oz per 5 seconds..


So what are my fuel pump replacement options or what can I check on the pump..is there a filter on the pump??
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby Mh434 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:41 pm

The OEM pumps are pretty expensive, but there's a DIY here for making up your own aftermarket setup (matches the OEM setup nicely) for a lot less $$$, and it looks very simple indeed to do. Here's one link - viewtopic.php?t=24521

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:13 am

Looked at a couple of links seems fairly straight forward..BUT I pulled my pump and there is a larger tube..the air hose..connected to the pump and to a port on the top front of the tank..I haven't seem any mention of that in any of the links on aftermarket replacements. So what happens to it?
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby gford » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:34 am

You did check that the petcock was working ?

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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:51 am

petcock has a new diaphragm in it. and these test were w/o the petcock being involved..

On to a new issue

napa doesn't carny the carter pump any more neither does Pep Boys FYI..Napa carrre is Airtec..but they have bad reputation....will try dome other parts stores..autozone, orielly etc. and report back

found it at Amazon $53 with strainer and shipping; and rock auto $49 but no strainer. Order from Amazon..no local auto parts carry it anymore they all had Airtex and Delphi ..
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Re: My bike just quit

Postby RBGERSON » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:38 am

SOOOO anyone want to comment/have an answer on the "air hose" and happens to it with installing an aftermarket pump like the Carter p72190????

PS and what's it's function on the OEM pump anyway...goes from the pump to that port on the front of the tank..note it is not clamped to that port/tube so not "air tight"


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