Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill


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Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby cardinal » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:41 am



1995 GL1500 SE failed me about 5 miles north of Lee Vining. It cut out twice at about 65 mph for just a few seconds, then 2 or 3 minutes later it died completely. Still at about 65mph. Checked the few things I could get to, tried to start it a few times then gave it full choke and tried again......it started! I didn't know why it stopped, figured it would happen again, probably somewhere with no cell phone coverage and even further from a shop than I was. I have 100 miles of free towing through AAA and the closest shop was in Carson City Nevada. I don't know anything about that shop, and I would have to travel the 500 mile round trip to get it back.
Decided to ship it to my shop in Madera and pay for the 65 miles not covered by AAA. ouch.....
Any ideas as to what might be wrong with it?



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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby tfdeputydawg » Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:17 am

First thing I'd do is check the fuel filter.

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby cardinal » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:17 pm

All filters were replaced in May of this year. But that's one of my suspicions as well.
BTW....it started and ran fine again when we unloaded it at the shop, and I opened the fuel cap shortly after it quit....didn't notice any vacuum, and it still wouldn't start a few minutes later.
Anything electrical come to mind?

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby harvey01 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:57 pm

Loose ground, loose wires at the battery, weak battery, fuse that is old and needs replacing.
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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby Happytrails » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:13 pm

Could be fuel cap not venting properly. If the bike cuts out pull over and try loosening the fuel cap and see if the bike starts. Some people have taken to soaking fuel caps in Seafoam then blowing them out with a compressor to get the cap to vent properly again.

Could maybe be the vacuum line to the fuel petcock. If the gas cap is fine then try bypassing the petcock to see if the engine runs ok.
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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby cardinal » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:22 pm

Opened the gas cap a minute or two after I stopped. Still didn't start until about 20 minutes later.

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby Charlie1Horse » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:09 pm

Sounds like what mine did. After checking fuel pump output (no power to pump) no spark, lights still worked. I found the connections on the kill switch had become loose. With no power going through the kill switch I had no power to the control module and so, no fuel pump and no spark. Just one easy thing to check. Good luck.

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby ct1500 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:07 pm

Fuel pump would be my guess, they die a slow death with symptoms being stalling at speed after an extended run and usually with a low(er) fuel level in tank.

Once the pump cools down a bit normal operation resumes.
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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby cardinal » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:20 pm

I cycled the kill switch, to no avail, but have not checked for loose connections in it.
Topped of the fuel 10 miles before I had the problem, so there was nearly a full tank available.

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby ct1500 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:43 pm

Next time it happens confirm cruise on light is illuminated with button pushed in, this will confirm kill switch operation and that circuit for ECM has power.

Check your relays.

Carry a can of carb clean spray with straw. Next time when trying to start remove the left handle bar filler for access to air box intake snorkel. While cranking engine spray into intake and if engine wants to start fuel problem confirmed.

Carry a spare spark plug. Access to either side spark plug wire at rear of engine is possible with lower plastic easily removed and spark can then be checked for.
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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby cardinal » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:49 pm

I hope its not a relay......my "good" intentions were to change all of them out last month.......

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby FM-USA » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:11 am

cardinal wrote:1995 GL1500 SE failed me about 5 miles north of Lee Vining. It cut out twice at about 65 mph for just a few seconds, then 2 or 3 minutes later it died completely. Still at about 65mph. Checked the few things I could get to, tried to start it a few times then gave it full choke and tried again......it started!
.....Any ideas as to what might be wrong with it?

I had symptoms were like yours, one cylinder misfire at speed and didn't happen again for many miles. A months later it happened several times in one day so I had to investigate.

Considering our Wings age comparison, about 4 years ago my petcock begat a hole on the bottom 1/3. I found ethKRAPanol ate through that rubber diaphragm. Fixed it, no problems since.
MAYBE yours.. .. .. .. ;)

ALSO, the fuel filter can look clean but in reality is plugged with micro debris. YUP, happened to me and found the problem after opening the filer. I now carry a spare filter.
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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby cardinal » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:56 am

I have wondered about the diaphragm by the gas cap. A friend of mine with a little Suzuki had massive problems caused by the petcock/diaphragm on her bike. I very well may have a small leak in that diaphragm.....gotta think about that a little more. Might be worth buying a repair kit for it.........

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby FM-USA » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:00 am

cardinal wrote:I have wondered about the diaphragm by the gas cap. A friend of mine with a little Suzuki had massive problems caused by the petcock/diaphragm on her bike. I very well may have a small leak in that diaphragm.....gotta think about that a little more. Might be worth buying a repair kit for it.........

Take the petcock out and open it up, preferably on a white cloth. If there's bits or chunks falling out, you'll see it.
There's few parts inside. Only caution, the spring might jump but it's big nuff to not disappear down the sink drain.
4 screws, 1 rubber metal sandwiched (RMS) diaphragm, 1 spring and 1 rubber cup diaphragm... in that order.
The RMS diaphragm is the fuel/vacuum seal. The smaller of the 3 hoses goes to intake for vacuum. No vac = no fuel.
I only used clean, lint free rag to mop up the parts, any other chemical might deteriorate the rubber.

I found a plastic that (temp) seals the hole in the metal sandwiched diaphragm and has been working for 2 years now.
Cost? WAY less than $0.01

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby MikeB » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:24 pm

You can always bypass the petcock as a temporary measure.
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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby ct1500 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:27 pm

cardinal wrote:I have wondered about the diaphragm by the gas cap. A friend of mine with a little Suzuki had massive problems caused by the petcock/diaphragm on her bike. I very well may have a small leak in that diaphragm.....gotta think about that a little more. Might be worth buying a repair kit for it.........


The diaphragm can be tested in about 1 minutes time by removing the hose and applying a vaccum to the valve, if it holds steady without dropping= no problem.

If it was leaking vacuum that would be a constant repeatable event not an intermittent issue.
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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby MikeB » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:34 pm

ct1500 wrote:The diaphragm can be tested in about 1 minutes time by removing the hose and applying a vacuum to the valve, if it holds steady without dropping = no problem.

If it was leaking vacuum that would be a constant repeatable event not an intermittent issue.

Good point.
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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby FM-USA » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:51 pm

My petcocks diaphragm has holes that are so small that water seals them until they pop through and the vacuum is temporarily lost creating a misfire in #4 cylinder. IF my petcocks holes were larger then it would/could be a constant single cylinder miss.
I've tested this when that diaphragm was out and placed a drop of water on the holes, nothing seeped through. But when I placed a drop of carb-cleaner on them it sifted through rather quickly.

A test can be had by pulling the smaller hose off the petcock while the engine is running. Don't do it for long, it leans out the fuel mixture and that cylinder will rise in temps. JUST MIGHT burn a hole on the piston and that be a bad thing. :o

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Re: Stopped dead and gave me a $400 towing bill

Postby Firstwinger » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:11 pm

You will need to narrow down on fuel or electrical. The beat way is to simulate systems as best you can. It was mentioned to try spraying when it does not start this simulates another fuel supply. I do not like staring fluid personally. If it runs then it is not electrical. unsure of your mileage, sounds like a possible fuel pump. Please let us know what you find out.




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