1990's Clutch


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1990's Clutch

Postby jdavidsmit » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:42 pm



On the way to work the other afternoon i notice my clutch was engaging with very little movement when releasing the clutch leaver. I was able to shift as normal, but it was a little weird feeling. I have never notice anything like this before.
once I was home I checked my maintenance log and the last time i rebuilt the clutch and slave cylinders, was in 2010. I have not notice any fluid on the floor of the garage where she is parked. Decided to check fluid level and condition of the fluid.

I could not get one of the screws for the reservoir cover to come out so i could check fluid level and condition but i did manage to strip out the Phillips head screw. so i put the other one back in and she is sitting until the rebuild kits come in. I just was not in the mood to tackle removing the screw.

My question is this, has anyone else had a issue like this and what was the issue?


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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby rgmr250 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:08 am

I'd say there's two 'tricks' to the clutch cover screws:
1. put lots of downward pressure so the screwdriver doesn't slip and strip the head.
2. Probably more importantly, most screws on Japanese bikes are JIS not phillips (cross) head screws. There's a difference. A tight (JIS head) screw will strip the head much more easily when using a phillips screwdriver, than the proper JIS screwdriver.

Cyclemax.com sells replacement screws for cheap. If the head on any of mine aren't in great shape, I just replace them. I stripped the head on the 88 I had - I replaced the screws after that, and keep a few spares around, just in case.

Sometimes an impact screwdriver is handy for getting out the screws that are really stuck.

The clutch problem might be the return hole in the M/C - they very commonly get (partially) plugged up. My 88's clutch would slip on shifts and hard acceleration. I flushed the fluid, replaced the Slave, Rebuilt the M/C and didn't resolve the problem until I cleaned the return hole in the M/C.

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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby newday777 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:51 am

The clutch and brake fluids need to be flushed yearly. Have you been doing this?

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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby jdavidsmit » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:27 pm

:| i must admit i have not changes the fluid or cleaned the MC since 2010 :|
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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby jdavidsmit » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:31 pm

I have as set of the screwdrivers my daughter gave me for Christmas a few years ago. i have had to drill and extract both the screws on the Brake MC. i replaced them and one of the screws on the clutch MC that's the one that came right out.
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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby rgmr250 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:51 pm

jdavidsmit wrote:I have as set of the screwdrivers my daughter gave me for Christmas a few years ago. i have had to drill and extract both the screws on the Brake MC. i replaced them and one of the screws on the clutch MC that's the one that came right out.


I'd pick up all new screws from Cyclemax (or elsewhere) and replace the screws in both the clutch and brake M/C. My guess is that somebody has been overtightening those screws - they don't need a ton of torque. Or a phillips was used on them before and had started rounding out the heads.

On my 88, I had to drill and extract one of the screws.

I wouldn't think it's needed on the M/C cover screws, but I put anti-seize on all exhaust screws (and others that are exposed and/or have a habit of getting somewhat seized in the threads), so they have a hope of coming out in the future without breaking. I think it might help, as long as you use it very sparingly, so there's no chance of the anti-seize getting into the fluid reservoir (by squishing out of the screw hole, under the cap) - I just don't know the interaction between anti-seize and brake fluid is - better safe than sorry.

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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby Mh434 » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:59 am

If you don't have an impact driver (or have one that's too big to fit the heads on those small screws), try this: using the absolute largest Philips screwdriver that will go in the remains of the screw head, while pushing down on the screwdriver (HARD!!), put turning torque on the handle and, while you're doing that, tap the head of the screwdriver with a hammer smartly several times (obviously, not too hard with the hammer - don't want to break the reservoir), until it breaks free.

This mimics what an impact driver does, and often as not, will be enough to crack the screw loose.

You will still want to replace the screws afterward, of course...

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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby FM-USA » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:19 am

It's now NOV, 30 2015.. .. .. is it fixed?
If so, Details?
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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby jdavidsmit » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:17 am

sorry guys, yes its fixed used a small left hand drill bit and out it came. put in SS screws for both clutch and brake. Flush both systems with clean fluid and all is good.

I had a heart attack on Christmas Eve and really have not felt like working on her much, starting to come back around. went out for a short ride a couple of weeks ago.
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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby newday777 » Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:00 am

Good to hear you're on the mend and got it fixed

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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby FM-USA » Wed May 04, 2016 8:23 am

jdavidsmit wrote:sorry guys, yes its fixed used a small left hand drill bit and out it came. put in SS screws for both clutch and brake. Flush both systems with clean fluid and all is good.

I had a heart attack on Christmas Eve and really have not felt like working on her much, starting to come back around. went out for a short ride a couple of weeks ago.

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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby Wingsconsin » Thu May 05, 2016 11:34 am

To avoid stripping screws on your Goldwing..
Buy JIS screwdrivers...

Japanese Industrial Standard - they ARE different than a Phillips head .
http://www.amazon.com/Hozan-JIS-4-JIS-S ... ingdocs-20

You will notice the difference when you use the proper tool ;)
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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby FM-USA » Thu May 05, 2016 11:52 am

Quick skim in Ebay for JIS Screwdriver bits.
Set of 6 (#1 #2 #3) $10.50
(same) Set of 6 but for GOLDWING, $20.00
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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby rgmr250 » Thu May 05, 2016 12:51 pm

If you have a screwdriver handle that accepts interchangeable bits in the end, then for $4 you can get these:
http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/jis_cro ... 744/283408

Or for $30 (seems pretty steep to me, but there's a big difference in price between cheap and quality tools - it's just often hard to tell the difference until you use them, unless it's a brand that's well known for their quality):
http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/jis_cro ... 744/286106

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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby WingAdmin » Sun May 08, 2016 9:56 am

rgmr250 wrote:If you have a screwdriver handle that accepts interchangeable bits in the end, then for $4 you can get these:
http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/jis_cro ... 744/283408

Or for $30 (seems pretty steep to me, but there's a big difference in price between cheap and quality tools - it's just often hard to tell the difference until you use them, unless it's a brand that's well known for their quality):
http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/jis_cro ... 744/286106


I have those Vessel drivers, they are very nice screwdrivers.

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Re: 1990's Clutch

Postby pbourgoin » Sun May 08, 2016 1:28 pm

I just use the little screw drivers that came in the factory tool kit and never had a problem... Are those the JIS type??


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