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gl1500 wont turn over

Postby buzzardchess » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:24 pm



Hello all. Newbie here and to wings. So, bought my first wing 6 months ago. All was well but it developed a symptom whereby engaging the starter button would occasionally not turn engine over. This symptom gradually became worse and by the time winter hit it was maybe 50% of the time. Today, I went to start it after a 2 month sit and it wont work at all. Now, when I say it wont work, it actually engaged once and turned over very well/fast. But, it didn't start immediately, so I let off to give it a few throttle turns thinking it needed some gas and that was it, now it won't turn over. The symptoms have been the same throughout, from when it's symptoms first started through to include today. When it doesn't turn over, it is definatly drawing current as all the lights dim. For lack of a better description, it almost sounds like it's struggling to crank. Like once, when holding in the button I thought I heard it barely turn over part way. Back when this problem was intermittent, it would do this, but if I kept trying it would engage and turn over normally and start. Today no number of button pushes is engaging, except the one time I described. Again, I'm open to ideas, but i believe it is not the stater button contacts as it always draws power when I engage it. Any thoughts or help is much appreciated. Thank you.



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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:37 pm

If you have a voltmeter, try putting it on the battery terminals while you press the starter, and see what the voltage is going to while you press the button.

I'm thinking you may just have a weak battery (the GL1500 takes a lot of power).

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby buzzardchess » Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:31 pm

WingAdmin wrote:If you have a voltmeter, try putting it on the battery terminals while you press the starter, and see what the voltage is going to while you press the button.

I'm thinking you may just have a weak battery (the GL1500 takes a lot of power).


12.7 with key off. 11.7 when key is turned on. 11.1 when engaging starter button.

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby FM-USA » Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:44 pm

gl1500 wont turn over.... ?
Since the 1500 is so large and heavy, you'll need a fairly large spatula.
(always a joke somewhere)
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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby keithg64 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:02 pm

Could be your starter button is going bad or a bad connection at the button.
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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:37 pm

Because its intermittent,I suspect first that one of the starter solenoids needs replacing.
A volt meter at each terminal when it won't crank will narrow this down.
Power must go through both solenoids to finally get to the starter.
Push the start button,probe each of the 4 lugs.
When both solenoids energize,power should appear at all 4 of them.
Obviously one lug will have power all the time as its connected direct to the battery.
Should all 4 lugs have above 11 volts and it still won't crank the engine,suspect the starter or its electrical connections.
Do check that both solenoids click when the start button is pushed.
Don't forget to check that the connections at the battery are clean and tight.
Keep the battery charged.

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over - Battery Check

Postby Ray Aube » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:01 pm

Here's advice I got from Stu Oltman, Technical Advisor at WingWorld Magazine:

A fully charged and serviceable sealed, AGM battery will read at least 12.8 volts across the terminals after being off the charger for at least an hour. “A little over 12 volts” indicates a badly discharged and/or damaged battery. Disconnect the negative battery cable to eliminate the possibility of excess parasitic current draw, and charge that battery at no more than 2 amps till it reaches 14.4 volts. If using an automatic battery maintainer, allow it to charge till the full charge indicator illuminates. Then remove the charger and allow the battery to sit for at least one hour. Then check the voltage. 12.8 volts or more – good battery. 12.6 to 12.7 volts – marginal. 12.5 volts or lower – replace the battery. Now, with your battery either replaced or charged and tested as good, start the engine and monitor the voltage at the battery terminals. Though full output isn’t available below 5000 rpm, that charging system should be able to raise the voltage of a fully charged battery to at least 14 volts at 1500 rpm within a minute or so after starting. Make sure all aftermarket electrical goodies are turned off to avoid skewing the results. Your 2000 model’s stock alternator is among those prone to failure due to cracked rotor coil windings. So if the charging system behaves normally during your short test, allow the bike to idle till it gets to full operating temperature, and test again.

Stu

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby buzzardchess » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:51 pm

Thank you all for the replies. I even welcome the spatula humor ;). I will give these things a try and report back.

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby Ray Aube » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:34 pm

My bike experienced the same problem twice, each time without warning. On each occasion, I cleaned the battery terminals, reconnected the terminals to the battery and things were back to normal. I suspected the battery had a short which led me to ask Stu Oltman for his advice on diagnosing a battery, the response to which I posted earlier. Good luck!

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby Charlie1Horse » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:44 pm

Depends on if you want it to turn over to the left or right. just put up the kickstand and let go.
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Russell

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby FM-USA » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:46 pm

Charlie1Horse wrote:Depends on if you want it to turn over to the left or right. just put up the kickstand and let go.
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Russell

Those who say it cannot be done should try not to interrupt those who are doing it.

I suggested a Spatula, no one noticed.
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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby RFW&LMW » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:24 am

FM-USA wrote:
Charlie1Horse wrote:Depends on if you want it to turn over to the left or right. just put up the kickstand and let go.
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Russell

Those who say it cannot be done should try not to interrupt those who are doing it.

I suggested a Spatula, no one noticed.

There is always one or two in every crowd,LOL, keep up the humor it always helps when someone is pis---- off when having a problem. ;)
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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby FM-USA » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:18 am

RFW&LMW wrote:There is always one or two in every crowd,LOL, keep up the humor it always helps when someone is pis---- off when having a problem. ;)

oh, ah-kno.

LOOOOOnnnng ago, a 4th grade situation, made me step back, think, realize and change.
Since then, I try to employ humor to relieve stress.

CHEERS . . . . [pun intended]
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Re: gl1500 wont turn over - Battery Check

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:07 am

Ray Aube wrote:Here's advice I got from Stu Oltman, Technical Advisor at WingWorld Magazine:

A fully charged and serviceable sealed, AGM battery will read at least 12.8 volts across the terminals after being off the charger for at least an hour. “A little over 12 volts” indicates a badly discharged and/or damaged battery. Disconnect the negative battery cable to eliminate the possibility of excess parasitic current draw, and charge that battery at no more than 2 amps till it reaches 14.4 volts. If using an automatic battery maintainer, allow it to charge till the full charge indicator illuminates. Then remove the charger and allow the battery to sit for at least one hour. Then check the voltage. 12.8 volts or more – good battery. 12.6 to 12.7 volts – marginal. 12.5 volts or lower – replace the battery. Now, with your battery either replaced or charged and tested as good, start the engine and monitor the voltage at the battery terminals. Though full output isn’t available below 5000 rpm, that charging system should be able to raise the voltage of a fully charged battery to at least 14 volts at 1500 rpm within a minute or so after starting. Make sure all aftermarket electrical goodies are turned off to avoid skewing the results. Your 2000 model’s stock alternator is among those prone to failure due to cracked rotor coil windings. So if the charging system behaves normally during your short test, allow the bike to idle till it gets to full operating temperature, and test again.

Stu


This is all completely correct - BUT make sure you are using a decent, known calibrated voltmeter. The $10 cheapie DVM's like the ones sold at Harbor Freight and elsewhere in my experience can read 0.5v off (usually high) - and sometimes more than even that.

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby FM-USA » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:24 am

" can read 0.5v off "

Typical CCC :evil:
. . . Cheap China Crap

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I use it as a general tester to I save my good semi-expensive one.
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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:32 am

FM-USA wrote:" can read 0.5v off "

Typical CCC :evil:
. . . Cheap China Crap


You get what you pay for. :)

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby raven41951 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:07 pm

Personal experience says I need to add my two cents.

From personal experience, I can tell you that a low battery may turn the engine over, but it will not have enough power to start the engine. There is a lot of voltage used up in the ignition system as all these posts have told you.

Follow the advice given here to check the battery. Start there.

Does anyone know the origin of: "Gentlemen, here are you quarters. Oh Boy! two bits apiece!" The most humor I can muster at the moment.

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Re: gl1500 wont turn over

Postby FM-USA » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:07 pm

, . . . . . . ummmm, Blues Bro's?


"OIL CHANGE?" _FM 07-2009
Know its new taste and be loyal, you'll know when to change that oil.
Taste testing as the miles flow, souring as that acid grows.
And don't flirt with dirt or darkened oil, all the faster your engine will spoil.


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