Problems with heel toe shifter


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Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Alicia » Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:43 pm



I just bought a 1998 Honda GoldWing GL1500 SE and am having problems with the heel toe shifter. It is sloppy, no tension, tons of free play, no stability. I don't know enough about heel toe shifters to even identify what type it is. What I would like to do is find out what type it is, take off the heel toe and go back to a stock shift lever and a stock peg. The brakes were modded too. I would like to go back to stock there too. I am old skool and cannot ride this way. Attached is a picture of the shifter. If anyone can help explain it to me, what it is and how to remove it and replace it with stock I would appreciate it. See attached photo.
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby aj1500 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:19 pm

that looks just like the Markland set up I have on mine.
going back to stock is easy, you just have to find the original parts and put
them on. most of the time the brake pedal is the same, you just have to readjust it a little to work with the foot peg
the shifter is a different story, you will need to get a stock shifter
put a post in the for sale section to do a trade, there are always people looking to trade between pegs and boards

I bought mine with boards, hated them so I traded for all the stock stuff, then put on a sidecar and had to trade again to put boards back on it :D

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Alicia » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:15 pm

that looks just like the Markland set up I have on mine. going back to stock is easy, you just have to find the original parts and put them on.


Thanks aj1500 for letting me know it is a Markland. Can someone try to give me step by step detailed instructions if possible on how to remove it? And on how to replace it with stock. I have already found the stock parts on ebay and I have tools but I don't want to just start ripping into it without knowing what I am up against.
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby spiralout » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:33 pm

Looks like the Markland I have, too. It should say "Markland" on the side of the rubber boot.
If you look at how it's attached you'll see how it comes off. Remove the 8 or 10mm bolt that holds the front of the linkage to the shifter shaft and slide that off. Unbolt the rest and remove the spacer and the hanger at the front from the crash bar brace. Bolt your replacement peg to it's mount and slide the shift lever on to it's splined shaft making sure that the mark on the end of the shaft lines up with the mark on the shift lever.

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby aj1500 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:13 am

you have to unbolt the board and mount from the foot peg base then remove the mount after.
when unbolting the front part of the bracket for the boards there is a C shaped bracket that wraps around the crash bar, there is a spacer that if your not careful will fall down into your exhaust covers when you remove the bolt. also if I remember this right you have to replace that bolt with a shorter bolt because you no longer need said spacer. if your going to sell the boards you need to send that spacer and bolts with them.
you remove the bolts for the rear part of the board ( large allen head) you then can remove the square block that the goes into the original hole in the frame for the foot peg. it should be held in with a bolt.
it's much easier to remove them than to put them on
and the stock pegs are self explanitory as they will only fit one way and work
the pin goes from the top down with the cotter key at the bottom, that part can be a real PITA
hope this helps

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Alicia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:55 pm

Thanks aj100 and spiralout. That is helpful. I am so happy I am not stuck with that mod. Do you all think I will need to stabilize that shaft for the shifter after? Would it be a good idea? I am wondering if it is this sloppy now that maybe it will be a bit afterwards when I return to stock. I read somewhere that Honda when they manufactured them had the shaft not quite stabilized to start with.
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby spiralout » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:53 pm

My heel/toe has so much play and slop in it I figured I needed to pick up a stabilizer for it but when I removed it and put on a regular shifter it shifted so nice and positive. I'm sure the stabilizer would help but I can't spend $100+ on one.

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Alicia » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:11 pm

Post by spiralout » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:53 pm
I'm sure the stabilizer would help but I can't spend $100+ on one.


I hear you on that. I agree it is expensive. I think I will see how it is without it first, since you got such a positive result. Nice to hear that.
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby spiralout » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:31 pm

Definitely try it first. I have the floorboard back on now due to not having pegs to replace it with but when I test rode it with the regular shifter and NO peg (scary) it shifted so crisp and the clunk was all but gone.
By the way, if anyone wants to donate some pegs I won't turn 'em down ;)

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Charlie1Horse » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:38 pm

Looks just like the setup I removed from my 92 Interstate. I didn't like that they were so far back and I had to pick up my foot to shift or brake. It throws your weight forward on the handlebars, and takes time to get to them. Not good in an emergency situation. PO had these installed but finally age and health forced him to sell. Good deal for me. I bought the pegs, shifter, and brake pedal off ebay for cheap, just watched awhile for good deals. I now have a complete setup that I want to sell but no one seem to want it. Funny, and pricey, too. I am way more comfortable with the stock pegs/shifter setup.
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Alicia » Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:40 am

Post by Charlie1Horse » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:38 pm
I am way more comfortable with the stock pegs/shifter setup.


I am sure I will be too. I am ready to go back to stock. I just picked up all the parts on ebay, and I am eagerly awaiting their arrival. LOL. Thanks to all of you for your opinions and help. :mrgreen:
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby aj1500 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:52 am

Alicia
I'm surprised after looking at your description, 98 w trike kit, that you would want to remove the boards. I know they take a little getting used to but the comfort factor makes it more than worth it.
I agree for being on 2 wheels I hated them,always scrubbing in hard turns but being able to move my feet around on long trips is hard to beat, plus your feet are lower than the stock pegs and a bit forward, this helps reduce leg cramps
you can cure the loose shifting by replacing the bushing for the shifter
either way you have to do what works for you

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Fatboy46 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:07 pm

http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/gl1500_ ... /86/200181
this supports the shifter shaft, might be your 'fix' if you want to keep it.

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby TerryRuth » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:15 pm

put in a new shift shaft seal weather you think you need it or not 50 percent of play comes from there

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby seelyark1 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:46 pm

None of the shifter play comes from the seal. It is from lack of support on the shifter. Put on the support and all that slop will be gone. :) Eventually you will pay for it by having to replace the oil and cleaning it up. It is not hard to put it on. Simple fix. :D
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Fatboy46 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:00 pm

Does the 1800 have the support problem too? Does it need the support fix?

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Bigbiker0 » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:34 am

seelyark1 wrote:None of the shifter play comes from the seal. It is from lack of support on the shifter. Put on the support and all that slop will be gone. :) Eventually you will pay for it by having to replace the oil and cleaning it up. It is not hard to put it on. Simple fix. :D


I really think it's a must to fix the shifter.
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Alicia » Mon May 30, 2016 10:32 am

I removed the Markland Heel Toe shifter, brake lever and the floorboards. I put stock peg and stock brake lever back on. I am working on the shifter side side now. I have the shift shaft/shift spindle seal and I don't know how to put the seal on. Can anyone help me with this? I need an explanation please.
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby spiralout » Mon May 30, 2016 11:40 am


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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Alicia » Mon May 30, 2016 3:43 pm



Thanks spiralout. That link is very descriptive and very clear. It should make my job much easier. :mrgreen: My only question now is what is that tool in the pic below? The top one with the threaded end. I search screw tool and nothing comes up... I would like to buy one if I can figure it out. Looks pretty handy for more uses than one.

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27. For removing the old seal, you'll need a sharp pick or a screw tool as shown. In a pinch, a drywall screw can also be used.

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby WingAdmin » Mon May 30, 2016 8:25 pm

I have absolutely no idea what that tool is called, or where you would find one. It was part of a set of screwdrivers I got as a Christmas present when I was probably ten years old. It's the only one that I still have from the set, but it comes in handy once in a while for tasks like this.

You can always use a drywall screw, gently screw it into the seal, then use some pliers to pull on the screw to pull the seal out.

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Thanks spiralout. That link is very descriptive and very clear. It should make my job much easier. :mrgreen: My only question now is what is that tool in the pic below? The top one with the threaded end. I search screw tool and nothing comes up... I would like to buy one if I can figure it out. Looks pretty handy for more uses than one.

WingAdmin wrote:
27. For removing the old seal, you'll need a sharp pick or a screw tool as shown. In a pinch, a drywall screw can also be used.

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby spiralout » Mon May 30, 2016 9:40 pm

Same here, mine's been around the house for probably 30 years and I have no idea where it came from or where I'd get another

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby kane67 » Mon May 30, 2016 10:48 pm

Don't know the name but I think I've seen this kind of tool in a tubeless car tire repair kit.

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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby Alicia » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:01 am

spiralout wrote:Same here, mine's been around the house for probably 30 years and I have no idea where it came from or where I'd get another]


WingAdmin wrote:I have absolutely no idea what that tool is called, or where you would find one. It was part of a set of screwdrivers I got as a Christmas present when I was probably ten years old. It's the only one that I still have from the set, but it comes in handy once in a while for tasks like this.

You can always use a drywall screw, gently screw it into the seal, then use some pliers to pull on the screw to pull the seal out.


Thanks for answering so quick. I think I finally found out what it is called. A gimlet tool. Used for wood working. The threaded end is for drilling pilot holes in wood while the auger like part of it just above the threads helps bite into the bits of wood displaced by the screw end to facilitate removal of them. Gimlet (tool)
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Re: Problems with heel toe shifter

Postby spiralout » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:09 pm

Thanks, Alicia. I'd never known I owned a gimlet :D




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