progressive fork springs on 2000 SE


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progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby johnfliesagain » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:03 pm



O K so I have done some reading, and even ordered a NEW owner's manual for my new to me 2000 SE.
Since the left seal is leaking, I can only presume that it is not now holding air either.

So I read that the front shocks are "pressurized" with a maximum of 6 psi gee that's not much presure!

I am getting new seals on the forks and I hope bushings, too. I did order Progressive11-1152 springs.

As a newbie let me know: do I still continue to add air to the forks with the new Progressives?


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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby DeepSea3971 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:40 pm

You don't have to but some people do. I would try it with no air then adjust from there

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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby dingdong » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:12 am

Progressive recommends no air with their shocks.They are quite a bit stiffer than stock so you won't really need air. Hopefully you are going to replace the seals while you have the forks open.
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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:20 pm

You don't need air with the progressive springs; in fact they will be too stiff with any air pressure when you have progressive springs in them. I also recommend using 10 weight fork oil with progressive springs.

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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby johnfliesagain » Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:59 pm

dingdong wrote:Progressive recommends no air with their shocks.They are quite a bit stiffer than stock so you won't really need air. Hopefully you are going to replace the seals while you have the forks open.


Actually, I am replacing the seals, and changing the springs! Seals were leaking and caused me to fail the Maryland Title Transfer State Inspection. This 53k bike was a "gift" to me just got lots of little things to do including plastic pieces!



WingAdmin thanks for the tip on the fork oil weight!
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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby spiralout » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:26 pm

johnfliesagain wrote:
Actually, I am replacing the seals, and changing the springs! Seals were leaking and caused me to fail the Maryland Title Transfer State Inspection. This 53k bike was a "gift" to me just got lots of little things to do including plastic pieces!

I'm not familiar with states that have vehicle inspections. How does that work, you can't get the title transfered to your name until it passes an inspection?

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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby MikeB » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:00 am

johnfliesagain wrote:Actually, I am replacing the seals, and changing the springs! Seals were leaking and caused me to fail the Maryland Title Transfer State Inspection. This 53k bike was a "gift" to me just got lots of little things to do including plastic pieces!

Many times, the leak is not because you have a bad seal but because a small foreign object has gotten between the seal and the fork tube. I have had that happen to my bikes. When it occurs, I use a Seal Mate by Motion Pro





to clear the debris from the seal area. I have done it on the GL1500 and on the GL1800 and it worked as advertised. Take a look at the video, it will explain a lot.

You can cure the leaky seal now and get the bike registered quickly with any luck. Then you can replace the springs and seals if you wish at a later date.
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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby keithg64 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:19 pm

I have used the motion pro seal mate and have made one myself from thicker one from shim stock. I put off changing my seals for a couple of years. Cleaned the seals once to twice a year. Changed fork seals and bushings over this winter.
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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby johnfliesagain » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:01 pm

spiralout wrote:
johnfliesagain wrote:
Actually, I am replacing the seals, and changing the springs! Seals were leaking and caused me to fail the Maryland Title Transfer State Inspection. This 53k bike was a "gift" to me just got lots of little things to do including plastic pieces!

I'm not familiar with states that have vehicle inspections. How does that work, you can't get the title transfered to your name until it passes an inspection?


In Maryland you can transfer the title with out a problem. But: you can not apply for permanent tags until a vehicle under 20 year ( caleneder) undergoes a safety inspection. Not as rigorous as a Pennsylvania inspection, but the basics tires shocks brakes rotors steering lights et c.
You can apply for a metal tag with a 30 days expiration. At the end of 30 days it must have passed the inspection and you cann apply for a new two year sticker. At $104.00 per year.

Over 20 years $51.00 per year, no inspection as a "historic" vehicle limited to travel to be repaired, to club events, et c. (LOL)


Now back to the matter: to those that have suggested the Seal Mate yup I have a pair in my garage drawer...forgot about them :o but I have ordered new progressive springs so I might as well get it done while I have the motovation. And with the temp registration, I am still riding to uh, sort out the mechanical issues. yup that is what I am doing. To the officer on the street the tag is just a normal tag so they have no reason to stop me.
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Re: progressive fork springs on 2000 SE

Postby johnfliesagain » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:27 am

Well I decided to let someone else do the fork seals. And Springs. Its the springs that I didn't want to deal with . Arthritis and all that.

To those that suggested Seal Mate...good idea but.. the bushings were wiped. It would not have helped that issue.

About the springs: I have only ridden about 25 miles but those are Baltimore City miles. Our roads are terrible. So many utilites under the street to be reapired, and then some untrained person, after filling with dirt just tamps witha shovel, and applies asphalt mix, mounds it high smacks it with a shovel and says "done!" The stones break loose cluttering the road with debris and then the patch begins to , uh, sink upon impaction with truck tires.

Runnig now with 0 front air pressure.

So the spings get a work out quickly. Report: yes they work. Better than the 16 year old compressed springs that were in there. The ride isn't stiffer, but how shall I say firmer. It feels as if I hve better control, and did not loose the smal bump cushioning, lost some "wallowing" and have good control over larger frost heave at pavement joints. Potholes I avoed for the sake of my tires and wheels.

Now it makes me wonder about people that write in asking about "wallowing" Perhaps something overlooked is a unequal response by the forks due to air press, or fork oil or rebound valve or just worn springs themselves. Hmm gottta think about that.

and thanks to all for the suggestions and the many prior posts that I read!

John in Baltimore


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