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93 Goldwing smokes

Postby hazelwoodgarage » Wed May 04, 2016 12:40 pm



I have a 93 Goldwing with around 80 thousand miles, I notice it smokes a lot when I first start it but it clears up a few seconds later, it runs good and makes good power, is this something I need to worry about? I am thinking about a trip to Alaska from Minnesota the end of May.



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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby maintainer » Wed May 04, 2016 1:18 pm

I'm not positive on a 1500 but on the old 4cyl wings it is common especially if it's kept leaned on the sidestand. if it doesn't do it continuously or burn oil I wouldn't worry about it. Seems to be typical on older boxer type engines. To eliminate it completely it may need new valve guide seals.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby WingAdmin » Wed May 04, 2016 2:01 pm

Is it smoking out the exhaust? Both sides, or just one?

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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby hazelwoodgarage » Wed May 04, 2016 6:40 pm

It's smoking from both exhaust pipes, I think they have a cross over connecting both pipes? It doesn't seem to be using much oil.

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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby Charlie1Horse » Wed May 04, 2016 8:59 pm

I think you'll find it needs valve stem seals. They have a tendency to leak just a bit of oil into the left side cylinders when sitting on the side stand. Mine does that but it doesn't hurt anything as long as you maintain the oil level properly. I wouldn't worry about it unless it starts to smoke continually. You might try putting it up on the center stand and let it run for a minute before shutting it off.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby joeincalif » Wed May 04, 2016 11:20 pm

Common on the 1500 wings, especially when you park on the side stand. I always park on the center stand so I never noticed it on any of my wings
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby maintainer » Thu May 05, 2016 6:36 am

On my previous "GL 1100" it would smoke significantly (oil burning smoke) if I left it on the sidestand. It needed the valve stem seals replaced and evidently weeped some oil past them into the combustion chamber when parked on the sidestand. I started leaving it parked on the centerstand which virtually eliminated the smoking issue.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby dingdong » Thu May 05, 2016 7:04 am

What color is the smoke?
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby maintainer » Thu May 05, 2016 7:26 am

dingdong wrote:What color is the smoke?



This is a valid concern, my answer was geared more toward oil smoke (blushish) accompanied with a pungent oil burning smell.

Some Black smoke with a strong fuel odor could occur under initial start with full choke or fuel enrichment involved would be typical.

White smoke (vapor actually) with a sickening sweetish coolant smell could indicate an bad head gasket.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby spiralout » Thu May 05, 2016 10:36 am

For those saying it's valve seals, I have a service bulletin from Honda somewhere saying that it's normal on a boxer motor, even on a new bike. I'll post it when I can find it.

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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby bustedwing » Thu May 05, 2016 4:48 pm

I have owned two 1500s and a 1200 and the last 1500 is now a trike with 118,000 miles on it and of course it does not lean when parked, but when started you get a few seconds of condensation burning off of the exhaust. All of the bikes did it so if that is what you are talking about, it's nothing to worry about.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby Charlie1Horse » Thu May 05, 2016 10:40 pm

Since the date on this report is 6/13/75 you would think Honda could have redesigned the engine after another 13 years to eliminate this problem, however it doesn't seem to cause any trouble. A little smoke only means that the top end is being well lubricated. When the oil level is slightly low my 1500I it doesn't smoke quite as much on startup but I just have to keep a closer eye on the level. Check the oil level, check the tires pressure, check the rear shock air pressure, wipe her down before each ride. Works for me.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby robb » Fri May 06, 2016 7:20 am

I find that Seafoam in fuel will cause my bike to smoke. After refill it does not reoccur until it's added again.

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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby WingNutJC » Sat May 14, 2016 3:20 am

Quite obviously your bike is ignoring all the health warnings issued by the Surgeon General :P ...
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby bustedwing » Sat May 14, 2016 10:30 am

:D Thanx Wingnut,But some of the wings are old enough to smoke if they want to !!
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby chads920 » Wed May 18, 2016 9:13 am

was in the shop yesterday picking up my new water temp sensor and asked about smoke at startup and the reply was likely valve seal don't worry about it. Seems to be the consensus. Roger that.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Wed May 18, 2016 10:18 pm

I have a '97 that I used to park on the side stand. When I switched to parking in a tire chock vertical, I thought that would stop the smoking issue. It didn't. No change at all. It is time related on mine. A couple of days, no smoke. A week parked, smoke. The bike runs great, no oil consumption that is measurable. Non-Issue.

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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby Mh434 » Thu May 19, 2016 12:12 pm

As a means to test further regarding the valve guide oil seals, try cruising down a long hill with closed throttle (i.e., using engine braking only). When you open the throttle again, look for a puff of blue smoke in your mirrors. Engine braking makes a fairly powerful vacuum in the cylinders and, if the valve guide seals are a bit weak, it will be enough to suck oil into the cylinders, which will be burnt as soon as you open the throttle.

As others have said, a little blue from this isn't a big deal. Be aware, though, that it will likely get worse over time, to the point where spark plugs may start to foul.

I don't know about 'Wing engines, but in many engines it's entirely possible to replace the seals with the engine & cylinder heads still in situ. So, even if they need replacing, it's not that big a job.

I also recall one car engine we were going to do the seals on (it had smoked just a little, like this 'Wing, for a couple of years), but after using an oil treatment product (don't recall which one, unfortunately) it magically cleared up. The theory is that there was a piece of carbon between the seal & valve stem, and the product helped it to pass into the cylinder...

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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby Wingnut95 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:33 am

When I got my 95 SE I had the same concern. Did a lot of searching and found that if you put the bike on the side stand and then turn it off and start it on the side stand it will smoke when restarted. Seems that some oil will run into the cylinder on shut down and burn on start up.

If you turn off engine prior to putting on side stand, and upright prior to start you should see the problem disappear - as long as all else is well with the engine.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby CrystalPistol » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:08 pm

I posted to this in another place recently. Read it and give it a try. I wrote it about my '85 GL1200 bike and my GL1500 is a "trike" .... but I've seen a few 1500s do it as well and for the same reason. I bought the 1200 in 1995, it used to smoke on start up .... and then one day a fellow suggested a reason for the smoke. What he said changed my shut down procedure.

When parking the bike, I now shut it off with a flick of the thumb on the "stop" switch with hands on both grips, bike in neutral or 1st as desired, me just holding the bike up as I sit on it holding it up. Then, after the motor is stopped, I release clutch if in gear, ease bike a few degrees over towards my right as I feel for side stand with left foot and then extend side stand, I then ease her over left onto side stand and reach up and turn key off ..... then dismount. Now I have drained the hot oil out from behind the pistons on both sides so no oil to pool behind them.

Gold Wings splash and throw oil around in the crankcase and all cylinders are open at the back and oil gets thrown in "behind" the pistons constantly. Oil rings scrape the majority off back towards the crankcase each stroke. If you set it over on the side stand straight away and then shut off, there is a small quantity of hot oil pooled behind the lower left side cylinders that can't drain out as the cylinders are down hill the wrong way. Hot engine oil will seep past rings no longer sealed by combustion pressures and past ring gaps and on start up, that oil will exit the combustion chamber as a puff of blue smoke. You'll usually see it come out both pipes thanks to that "middle chamber" just ahead of the mufflers.

I can't recall seeing a plume of blue smoke from her since changing my habits at shut down all those years ago. I usually park her on the side stand if temporary but if she's to be parked all day like at work or longer in the basement, I put her up on center stand and shut the fuel off. But my "shut down" is the same.
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Re: 93 Goldwing smokes

Postby spiralout » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:18 pm

CrystalPistol wrote:I posted to this in another place recently. Read it and give it a try. I wrote it about my '85 GL1200 bike and my GL1500 is a "trike" .... but I've seen a few 1500s do it as well and for the same reason. I bought the 1200 in 1995, it used to smoke on start up .... and then one day a fellow suggested a reason for the smoke. What he said changed my shut down procedure.

When parking the bike, I now shut it off with a flick of the thumb on the "stop" switch with hands on both grips, bike in neutral or 1st as desired, me just holding the bike up as I sit on it holding it up. Then, after the motor is stopped, I release clutch if in gear, ease bike a few degrees over towards my right as I feel for side stand with left foot and then extend side stand, I then ease her over left onto side stand and reach up and turn key off ..... then dismount. Now I have drained the hot oil out from behind the pistons on both sides so no oil to pool behind them.

Gold Wings splash and throw oil around in the crankcase and all cylinders are open at the back and oil gets thrown in "behind" the pistons constantly. Oil rings scrape the majority off back towards the crankcase each stroke. If you set it over on the side stand straight away and then shut off, there is a small quantity of hot oil pooled behind the lower left side cylinders that can't drain out as the cylinders are down hill the wrong way. Hot engine oil will seep past rings no longer sealed by combustion pressures and past ring gaps and on start up, that oil will exit the combustion chamber as a puff of blue smoke. You'll usually see it come out both pipes thanks to that "middle chamber" just ahead of the mufflers.

I can't recall seeing a plume of blue smoke from her since changing my habits at shut down all those years ago. I usually park her on the side stand if temporary but if she's to be parked all day like at work or longer in the basement, I put her up on center stand and shut the fuel off. But my "shut down" is the same.

I just pull the bike in, shut it off normally with the key and keep it upright while taking off my helmet and gloves then put it on the side stand. Same thing I guess, but I get no smoke either as long as it's upright for a bit before leaning it over.




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