Hazards 4 ways


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Hazards 4 ways

Postby 2wheels » Mon May 23, 2016 4:00 pm



My 4way flashers aren't working 1 side use to work when I pushed the button, but now neither works! Can anyone help me pin point the problem?



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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby keithg64 » Mon May 23, 2016 7:47 pm

Could be the relay. Behind left side panel closest to the saddle bag. Not sure what number it is but it should say on the inside of the cover.
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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby Charlie1Horse » Mon May 23, 2016 8:48 pm

If one side was working and now neither side works I would try cleaning the switch and check the contacts and wiring to the switch. I suppose that your turn signals are working so it wouldn't be wiring or connectors from the switch to the bulbs.
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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby 2wheels » Tue May 24, 2016 12:04 pm

So that whole thing can be taken apart to the point where I can get in it to check the contacts, when push it in to turn them on one side (left) comes on and it go off. And when I push it, to turn them off the button returns outward really slow, so it may need to cleaned up

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby keithg64 » Tue May 24, 2016 2:32 pm

Yes it can. Use electronic contact cleaner. You can get it at autoparts store.
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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby 2wheels » Tue May 24, 2016 2:53 pm

Thanks for the info, you guys are very helpful :)

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby FM-USA » Tue May 24, 2016 6:44 pm

2wheels wrote:Thanks for the info, you guys are very helpful :)

Report back what you found.
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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Wed May 25, 2016 12:24 am

My service manual shows that hazard switch as a single pole, single set of contacts switch. If either side of your hazards work, then both sides should work, as that switch itself is not divided left and right. Those switches do get gummed up, however, so cleaning it so it functions properly is probably a good maintenance idea, either way. But, I think you'll find that you have a wiring issue somewhere down the line, if the power is making it to one side, but not the other.

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby 2wheels » Wed May 25, 2016 12:36 am

I cleaned the contacts and it works fine now!
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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby FM-USA » Wed May 25, 2016 8:24 am

2wheels wrote:I cleaned the contacts and it works fine now!
:lol:

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby 2wheels » Wed May 25, 2016 9:06 am

They weren't that bad they were just really gummy from the grease and accumulated dust from time, my bike is 1989 aspencade.

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby FM-USA » Wed May 25, 2016 9:11 am

Ahhh, mines the 91-I
I had sticky bar switch also but fixed them with "Mechanic in a can".
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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby WingAdmin » Wed May 25, 2016 8:19 pm

Bluewaterhooker0 wrote:My service manual shows that hazard switch as a single pole, single set of contacts switch. If either side of your hazards work, then both sides should work, as that switch itself is not divided left and right. Those switches do get gummed up, however, so cleaning it so it functions properly is probably a good maintenance idea, either way. But, I think you'll find that you have a wiring issue somewhere down the line, if the power is making it to one side, but not the other.


The Electrical Troubleshooting Manual is actually wrong on this. If the hazard switch was wired up the way it shows in the schematic, it would short both the left and right signals together permanently, and anytime you flicked a left or right turn signal on, they BOTH would flash:

Hazard Switch Schematic
Hazard Switch Schematic


The Service Manual however gets it right:

Hazard Switch Schematic from Service Manual
Hazard Switch Schematic from Service Manual


If you study the schematic, there is only ONE component in the GL1500 that can make just the left or the right side flash when the hazard switch is engaged: and that is the hazard switch itself.

The fact that you started seeing it first malfunction with only one side working (a common problem) before it completely failed, points me directly towards the hazard switch itself being the problem. Cleaning the contacts will often fix it.

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Wed May 25, 2016 9:48 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Bluewaterhooker0 wrote:My service manual shows that hazard switch as a single pole, single set of contacts switch. If either side of your hazards work, then both sides should work, as that switch itself is not divided left and right. Those switches do get gummed up, however, so cleaning it so it functions properly is probably a good maintenance idea, either way. But, I think you'll find that you have a wiring issue somewhere down the line, if the power is making it to one side, but not the other.


The Electrical Troubleshooting Manual is actually wrong on this. If the hazard switch was wired up the way it shows in the schematic, it would short both the left and right signals together permanently, and anytime you flicked a left or right turn signal on, they BOTH would flash:

Hazard Switch.GIF


The Service Manual however gets it right:

Hazard Switch SM.GIF


If you study the schematic, there is only ONE component in the GL1500 that can make just the left or the right side flash when the hazard switch is engaged: and that is the hazard switch itself.

The fact that you started seeing it first malfunction with only one side working (a common problem) before it completely failed, points me directly towards the hazard switch itself being the problem. Cleaning the contacts will often fix it.


Sunny Beaches, I was looking at the first schematic in the electrical troubleshooting section like your first image. Here, I thought Mom Honda was flawless......not really :D
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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby virgilmobile » Thu May 26, 2016 2:20 pm

Bluewaterhooker0 wrote:My service manual shows that hazard switch as a single pole, single set of contacts switch. If either side of your hazards work, then both sides should work, as that switch itself is not divided left and right.


Its true that the schematic does show the hazard switch as a single pole....
It must be wrong....
Because both left and right turn signal wires go into this switch,they must be separate contact points.If connected together as the schematic shows,both left and right lamp circuits are tied together and would flash both sides with either turn signal operation.
I've not seen the innards,but I can surmise that there are 3 contacts. The center is the feed from the flasher and when operated,a shorting bar makes contact from it to the left and right turn circuit.

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby FM-USA » Thu May 26, 2016 7:14 pm

Should be something like this...

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby WingAdmin » Sun May 29, 2016 3:26 pm

virgilmobile wrote:
Bluewaterhooker0 wrote:My service manual shows that hazard switch as a single pole, single set of contacts switch. If either side of your hazards work, then both sides should work, as that switch itself is not divided left and right.


Its true that the schematic does show the hazard switch as a single pole....
It must be wrong....
Because both left and right turn signal wires go into this switch,they must be separate contact points.If connected together as the schematic shows,both left and right lamp circuits are tied together and would flash both sides with either turn signal operation.
I've not seen the innards,but I can surmise that there are 3 contacts. The center is the feed from the flasher and when operated,a shorting bar makes contact from it to the left and right turn circuit.


The schematic is wrong. Read my post three messages before yours: viewtopic.php?p=197456#p197398

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Re: Hazards 4 ways

Postby virgilmobile » Sun May 29, 2016 6:01 pm

I see that now.I didn't see that before on my phone.
Oh well.Confirmation from more that one source is always a good thing.




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