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Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Michael Faircloth » Sat May 28, 2016 9:19 pm



I have a problem with my beads in the bike tires. EVERY time i try to check the air pressure there is a bead stuck in the valve stem and as soon as i take off the cap on the stem the air starts coming out...no amount of fiddling with the stem will make the leak stop. I must remove the shader valve and remove the stuck bead, then reinstall the valve. This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. I have tried having the valve stem at the bottom, the top, at 90 deg. nothing seems to make any differance. I am fed up with dyna beads and will never put them in a tire again. Has anyone else come across this problem?
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Sat May 28, 2016 10:23 pm

I bought some "beads" a while back, but have not used them yet. They are not "Dynabeads" brand, but the company I got them from shipped a couple of Schrader cores (valves) with the beads, that are designed to be installed as replacements for the ones currently in the valves, and prevent that issue. So, I suspect that an item like that can be purchased separately and installed in your valve. You may also just try 'flicking' the valve with your finger a few times, or adding some air to the valve, to dislodge any beads, before taking your pressure readings.

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby redbug » Sat May 28, 2016 11:11 pm

On the Dyana Bead web site they sell Schrader valves with a filter and will go into your valve stem with a minimum of 1 1/4 inches in length. That might get rid of the fed ups for you.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby themainviking » Sun May 29, 2016 6:39 am

Do they not recommend giving your tire a shot of air prior to checking the pressures if using dyna or counteract beads? I read it somewhere to do with bead use. It is what I do, and have never had any problems at all, aside from when they put the tires on with grease and the beads stick to the grease in the tire, and have to be totally disassembled again and done right. Lesson learned then? - use another tire installer.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby redbug » Sun May 29, 2016 6:47 am

Yes they sure do. Tire at six o'clock and give the tire a blast of air and recheck.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby wing in atlanta » Sun May 29, 2016 7:23 am

I use the off brand of dyna beads, never had a problem.

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sun May 29, 2016 8:18 am

Have Counteract beads in my tires for over two years now and no problems. Check the air pressure without having to do a preliminary blast of air into the tire. Also use the Ride-On product that is a liquid that balances the tires, no issues with it as well. Prefer the Ride-on product to the Counteract beads.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sun May 29, 2016 8:23 am

The interesting issue with Dyna Beads, Counteract Beads and other different forms of MC tire balancing is that it seems to be fairly new to the MC world and a lot of folks are a bit skeptical of it. Beads have been used in the transport industry for years to balance dual wheel installations, in the 4X4 world as well. Mentioned this to my 4X4 specialist and he was very aware of it and it is the only way he can balance the tires he uses. He mentioned that some people have even used golf balls in their 4X4 tires. Takes time for preferences to change.

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby joeincalif » Sun May 29, 2016 8:29 am

I had the balance beads installed on my 1500 with the new tires and also had the metal valve 90 degree stems installed at that time. So far I have never had a problem checking the air, I usually have the valve stem at 3 o'clock position on the front and 6 on the rear.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby WingAdmin » Sun May 29, 2016 3:31 pm

Michael Faircloth wrote:I have a problem with my beads in the bike tires. EVERY time i try to check the air pressure there is a bead stuck in the valve stem and as soon as i take off the cap on the stem the air starts coming out...no amount of fiddling with the stem will make the leak stop. I must remove the shader valve and remove the stuck bead, then reinstall the valve. This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. I have tried having the valve stem at the bottom, the top, at 90 deg. nothing seems to make any differance. I am fed up with dyna beads and will never put them in a tire again. Has anyone else come across this problem?
Thanks, Mike


Common problem. They actually have special valve cores with a filter at the bottom that can keep this from happening, but they don't fit in the 90 degree bent valve stems on our bikes.

This happens to me about one in four times. I just let it bleed some air out to get the pressure down a bit, then give it a shot of air with the hose. That blasts the bead back into the tire, and the problem is solved.

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby FM-USA » Mon May 30, 2016 8:33 am

MAYBE this will help?

When you insert new compressed air in a tire it creates static electricity. The beads will be attracted like a magnet to the opening. Static from bead to bead, said beads will repel each other.

Prior to filling, turn the wheel so the stem is not directly at the bottom. The beads will be further away from that static.

I filled Dynabeads in one tire through the 90* stem. Problem was the moving beads created static and were repelling away from the valve opening. An EVER SO SLIGHT spritz of water near, I did this about a foot away, the valve opening dissipated that static and the beads rolled in that valve.

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Michael Faircloth » Mon May 30, 2016 1:07 pm

Thanks for all the replies.... I have the 90 deg. stem, so the filtered valve won't fit. The problem is not where the valve stem is on the clock of the wheel.... the air starts leaking when I take the cap off... the shrader valve is ALREADY stuck open.... the only thing that keeps the air in the tire is that I use a metal valve stem cap and tighten down hard. The cap is sealing the air in , NOT the shrader valve. But not to worry everyone... I have 23K miles on the E3s and and will be changing soon, and then no more beads.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby robb » Mon May 30, 2016 2:09 pm

This problem is overcome using airsoft pellets, too big to enter valve stem. Must be placed in tire at time of mounting. Lots less expensive than beads and can get them at Walmart.

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Mon May 30, 2016 5:41 pm

Michael Faircloth wrote:Thanks for all the replies.... I have the 90 deg. stem, so the filtered valve won't fit. The problem is not where the valve stem is on the clock of the wheel.... the air starts leaking when I take the cap off... the shrader valve is ALREADY stuck open.... the only thing that keeps the air in the tire is that I use a metal valve stem cap and tighten down hard. The cap is sealing the air in , NOT the shrader valve. But not to worry everyone... I have 23K miles on the E3s and and will be changing soon, and then no more beads.
Mike :P


I'm sure you've already thought of this, but why not just replace the leaking valve core ? A simple 5 minute job. Problem solved.

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Michael Faircloth » Mon May 30, 2016 7:38 pm

Blue,
maybe you did not understand the problem,
The valve core is fine... there is always a dyna bead stuck in it when I try to check the air pressure in the tire. Remove the core... remove the bead... reinstall the core ...and all is fine .... until the next time I try to check the pressure. I keep 4 extra valve cores on the bike at all times.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby FM-USA » Mon May 30, 2016 7:54 pm

Michael Faircloth wrote: The valve core is fine... there is always a dyna bead stuck in it when I try to check the air pressure in the tire. Remove the core... remove the bead... reinstall the core ...and all is fine .... until the next time I try to check the pressure. I keep 4 extra valve cores on the bike at all times.
mike

What ever did you do to those beads, they don't like you. :evil:
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Mon May 30, 2016 8:44 pm

Michael Faircloth wrote:Blue,
maybe you did not understand the problem,
The valve core is fine... there is always a dyna bead stuck in it when I try to check the air pressure in the tire. Remove the core... remove the bead... reinstall the core ...and all is fine .... until the next time I try to check the pressure. I keep 4 extra valve cores on the bike at all times.
mike


I was afraid that might be insultingly simple :shock: , but that brings us back to Wingadmin's suggestion of blowing some air in before you check pressure.
I guess this will resolve itself when you get those beads out of the tires. But, since we're on the subject, how did you like the balance job of the beads ? Like I said, I haven't used them yet. The place that changed my tires never heard of them, so I wasn't going to become their guinea pig for installation of the beads.

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby Michael Faircloth » Tue May 31, 2016 12:32 pm

Blue
the beads work great.... no trouble with the balance. The problem is that the beads are so small that they fit perfect for holding the shrader valve open.... if they were just a tad bigger they would not be able to fit in there. As one of the others here said, you can put larger beads in the tire to do the same thing... BUT ... you have to do it while the tire is being mounted because they will not fit through the valve stem.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby thrasherg » Tue May 31, 2016 12:40 pm

I guess I have been very lucky, I have beads in all my motorbikes and cars and have never had a problem with the beads sticking the valve open when checking tyre pressure. I have never blown air in first, or stopped with the wheel in a specific position, just remove the dust cap and put the pressure gauge on the valve and measure the pressure. You do sound to be having some bad luck.. As mentioned you can find other balls that are larger than the ceramic Dyna beads that might help your issue. Best of luck whatever you go with, I was talkling to Avon about a new rear tyre for my wing and they recommended against using dyna beads as they feel they are too abrasive and damage/scuff the inside of the tyre. They did recommend a different type of bead to me (Can't remember the name) but I will try them when I change the tyre (in a few more months).

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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby FM-USA » Tue May 31, 2016 2:43 pm

I had a one time inspiration to teach my girl how to check the pressure in her tires. Took, LOL... "A FEW" run throughs but she finally grasp the idea to start the "Pen" style tester as flat and square to the valve opening as possible and QUICKLY jamb it onto and hold for a half second then quickly off the valve stem.
If she did it correctly there's no HISS, just PssT. Lots of Pssssssss if it's off angled.
MAYBE the beads are trying to escape cause you got a lot of PsssssssT ???

Sort'a off topic note.
Forward to this past Saturday. On her bicycle is Presta valves, not Schrader. Well she did the Schrader valve pressure check and busted that Presta core right off. Ya, new inner tubes on order WITH Schrader valves.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby flogger » Tue May 31, 2016 4:42 pm

All the beads are very popular and trending on many motorcycles but I have always been slow and cautious jumping on most band wagons. I had not heard about valve or bike specific problems but just that you needed the filtered valves... Is there not a filtered valve replacement for the 90 degrees? From a bead maker or anyone else? I have 4 bikes and still do not use beads yet, too old school I guess and my tires are all balanced without issues...
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby OldZX11Rider » Tue May 31, 2016 8:56 pm

I've never used beads either. I just have a hard time figuring out how them beads "know" where to go. :lol:
It just seems to me they might go to the wrong place and make an out of balance problem worse. :roll:

Plus I've go the 90° valve stems.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby FM-USA » Tue May 31, 2016 9:26 pm

OldZX11Rider wrote:I've never used beads either. I just have a hard time figuring out how them beads "know" where to go. :lol:
It just seems to me they might go to the wrong place and make an out of balance problem worse. :roll:

Plus I've go the 90° valve stems.

Them beads attended the same school as fish. THEY know where to go.
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby OldZX11Rider » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:32 am

Oh, that explains everything. ;)
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Re: Problem with Dyna beads

Postby robb » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:22 am

Never had a valve problem with airsoft pellets since they are larger than dyna beads, but do the same job. Here is a video of how beads work.







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