95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.


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95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby grandmadan » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:22 am



Our 1500 Goldwing dies when going down the road. The cruise light, etc stays on. We have replaced the fuel pump, kill switch, and the ECM. Whatever is doing it is shutting the fuel pump off as it is not getting fuel. Is there any kind of relay or breaker that is hooked to the fuel pump? Can't find one in the manuel. After a half hour or so it will usually start up again. Any ideas? Angle bank has been disconnected too.



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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby FM-USA » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:25 am

Check the Petcock and it's vacuum line. 30 min. R-D-R. (Remove-Disassemble-Replace)
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby grandmadan » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:45 am

The petcock has also been replaced.

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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby FM-USA » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:52 am

grandmadan wrote:The petcock has also been replaced.

Is the vacuum line to the Petcock good?
Mine had micro cracks at the clamps. Little snip off the ends and all was good. OH, that line "T's off" and runs up under to the carb area, check it also.
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby FM-USA » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:59 am

I'm vaguely remembering... 2 other threads.
One was poor ground connection to the fuel pump.
A relay, your original question, which I don't remember where it's at.

Also, I'm currently going through bad connections in the fuse box. Fuses are becoming loose and getting hot, lucky me it's a light circuit not fuel.
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby grandmadan » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:07 am

there is no fuel coming into the filter. Something seems to be shutting the fuel pump off and when it cools down will start again. We have been fighting this problem since last September. At one point got a 1000 miles before it did it again. Thought we had it that time. Very frustrating as we had to trailer home instead of going to Sturgis last year. Afraid to go very far from home!

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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby FM-USA » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:17 am

I'm doing a search, "fuel pump relay location", 18 hits. But I'm running out of time, got thins to do.
( viewtopic.php?f=6&t=30823&p=178762&hilit=fuel+pump+relay+location#p178762 )

so far...
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=30823&p=178762&hilit=fuel+pump+relay+location#p178762
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby joeincalif » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:34 am

we had to trailer home instead of going to Sturgis last year.

Well explains it, The WING does not want to go to Sturgis!!!!!
Sorry I couldn't resist. But I do hope you find the problem, nothing more frustrating than not having a reliable vehicle.
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:43 am

When it quits , pull one spark plug wire ..attach a spare plug and crank it.It will not pump fuel if there's no spark.
You may be chasing the wrong end.If there's no spark , you would verify the ECM has volts (when it won't start)...plenty of it too..volts to operate the spark must be above 11.5 volts.Should it drop below 10.4 volts,the spark and fuel start to cut off.
The pulse coils and connections are also suspect if you loose spark when it gets warmed up..

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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby Charlie1Horse » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:47 pm

Check also the connections under the kill switch. Years and many miles of vibration at the handlebar can cause these connectors to loosen and then you won't have fuel or spark. I had that problem with my 92 Interstate, tightened them and all is well ever since.
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby Mh434 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:54 pm

Virgilmobile may be onto something there - sometimes, starting with the basics helps (or at least sets a baseline). A bad alternator can, I believe, cause some of these symptoms. As the voltage drops below a certain point, ignition & fuel pump cut out. A lead-acid battery, at rest, will recoup a small amount of charge on its own through chemical action, which might explain why the bike will re-start after a rest.

Failing the above, you really need to check the relays (behind the leading edge of the left saddlebag - loosening the saddlebag retaining bolts will, at a minimum, be required to do this). They seem to be the main source of GL1500 electrical gremlins (after alternator issues & bad batteries). I don't recall which one is responsible for the fuel pump, but swapping it out for one of the others will show if that's the problem (all the relays are the same, and interchangeable - WingAdmin, here on GWDocs, has the best price on genuine relays to be found anywhere). If so, pick up 2 or 3 (if one relay is failing, others will be soon to follow), so you have spares. I bought 3 when one of mine started failing.

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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby ct1500 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:37 pm

How did you determine this to be an electrical issue?
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby FM-USA » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:17 pm

grandmadan wrote:The petcock has also been replaced.

Maybe some back stepping info will help us, help you fig'r this out.
Do you have a history what was done to the bike before your first encounter with this problem?
T-Belts, tune-up, air filter, rear tire, Alternator, etc..
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby seelyark1 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:18 am

I still don't see anywhere that the fuel filter was changed, or did I just miss it. Most obvious first. ;)
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby FM-USA » Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:17 pm

seelyark1 wrote:I still don't see anywhere that the fuel filter was changed, or did I just miss it. Most obvious first. ;)

I have a rather long piece of info to add but if Grandmadan don't come back...
It includes the fuel pump to fuel filter testing. (testing by sectioning off a set of parts)

3 years ago I had a filter collapse internally shutting off the full flow.
Didn't see it until I dissected it, it was a metal can filter, (yoda) only clear ones, now, I use. :mrgreen:
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby MikeB » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:14 pm

Has anyone mentioned the Bank Angle Sensor under the left side of the trunk yet? It's job is to kill the bike in case of tip over.
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:24 pm

:ugeek:
MikeB wrote:Has anyone mentioned the Bank Angle Sensor under the left side of the trunk yet? It's job is to kill the bike in case of tip over.


Yes..in the first post.

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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby MikeB » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:34 pm

grandmadan wrote: Angle bank has been disconnected too.

I missed it due to what he called it.
If it has been disconnected, I hope it has a jumper wire across the outside pins of the connector completing the circuit.
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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby FM-USA » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:50 pm

MikeB wrote:
grandmadan wrote: Angle bank has been disconnected too.

I missed it due to what he called it.
If it has been disconnected, I hope it has a jumper wire across the outside pins of the connector completing the circuit.

I had to re-read it to be sure.
His post 'Jun 18, 2016 10:07 AM' states it's running but shuts off and has to wait.
Makes me believe he jumped the Bank Angle Sensor.
Thought maybe the fuel outlet hose is partly off or has a hole but it ran for a while.

The pump runs but shuts off.
Is there an overheat shutoff circuit in the fuel pump motor?
Would seem likely since we don't need a motor burning up in the gas.

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Re: 95 1500 Goldwing dies going down the road.

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:08 pm

Considering the multiple posts I've read here regarding multiple bad fuel pump replacements, I'd be suspicious of the pump, especially if an aftermarket rigged version.




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