my 88 seems really dated Any help??


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my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Stoby » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:13 pm



Hi all
Bought my 88 a couple years ago low 25k mile bike . Intentions were a xcountry ride with the old lady. Started a general go through with the needs I saw to address from the forum. Progressive front springs - rear shocks - new shinko tires -superbrace, did timing belts,tune up, brakes
added a few accessories. Never went due to unforeseen circumstances. Bike sat until now . Took it to the NH white mountains this wknd. did appx 600 miles over the weekend. Bike seemed very old to me reminded me of why I stopped riding my GS series suzukis and bought a modern aprilia sportbike . I also own an 08 Roadstar. both bikes excellent for there applications to me . I really don't want to and won't buy a newer luxo liner bike any time soon.I am budget limited. So what am I missing??? Suspension seemed harsh not plush,rattley ,brakes barely adequate,power ok but very jerky off idle. Just not a great experience that I hoped I bought this machine for . I am 6'2 around 250 shes 145 bike loaded with maybe 25 lbs.
I am an experienced wrench so if i know what needs doing I can get it done. So fellas help me sort this bike out or am I truly riding a dated machine that I cant make an awesome comfortable country traveller??
Thanks for help any insight
Stoby



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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Mag » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:55 pm

Hey Stoby....gotta say I love my 88....I have my suspension on (I believe) 45 lbs of air (I like the bike to not wallow in turns much). I have highway boards installed so I can stretch out, my brakes have done well, stop the bike really well (just have to put a new set of pads on), bike does not rattle at all, bike is not jerky off idle unless I am not in 1st gear. I am 5.11, 200 lbs, my legs are a bit cramped when in normal peg position.

Besides that, I really like the bike. I am hoping that it is nothing but adjustments for you, my bike runs really smooth, and has guts to it.

I am sure others will chime in.

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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby joeincalif » Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:55 am

Your comparing apples to oranges when you compare your other bikes to a Wing. The 1500 wing was considered an OLD MANS BIKE. When the 1800 wing came out Honda was saying, THIS ISN'T YOUR FATHERS GOLD WING !!
I rode wings for about 25 years then I bought a Kawasaki Concours 1400, then a Honda Shadow 1100, then a Honda VTX 1300R, then a Kawasaki Vulcan Nomad 1600, now back on a wing again. Totally different bikes for totally different purposes.
The 88 wing had a hesitation problem from start off. Shinko tires are TERRIBLE, progressive springs are harder then stock and will cause a rougher ride, your brakes might need to be bled or new pads installed.
In 95 Honda made some nice changes to the Wing, but again your bike is an 88 so it is 28 years old.
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Stoby » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:46 am

Not getting it. I don't expect it to be like any of my other bikes. Giving examples.I don't expect this to be a peg scraping fire breathing machine. I bought the wing for comfortably cruising long distances. I am looking for fixes for its issues . I am an old man (older anyway 47) Been riding since 5 years old and on the street since 16. Have a 3 car garage full of bikes each with a different purpose.I ride dirt bikes so I'm always finding issues and repairing them but I am familiar with finding their issues. I want this goldwing to be a good bike for its purpose
Clunky suspension and snatchy throttle response do not promote comfort . I am looking for suggestions on fixes, something I overlooked or missed .I've run shinko s on my Ape and they were fine. I have no issues with the tires on the bike,low speed and highway grip was fine . I'm looking for cures for clunky suspension flexy front end and carburetion. If this bike is a clunky flexy snatchy machine to everyone then I know its the bike but my research before buying led me to believe these are awesome travel machines. I am looking for mechanical fixes- ideas
Thanks
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby FM-USA » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:47 am

Stoby wrote: [previous - Bike seemed very old to me reminded me of why I stopped riding my GS series suzukis and bought a modern aprilia sportbike .]
Not getting it. I don't expect it to be like any of my other bikes. Giving examples.I don't expect this to be a peg scraping fire breathing machine. I bought the wing for comfortably cruising long distances. I am looking for fixes for its issues . I am an old man (older anyway 47) Been riding since 5 years old and on the street since 16. Have a 3 car garage full of bikes each with a different purpose.I ride dirt bikes so I'm always finding issues and repairing them but I am familiar with finding their issues. I want this goldwing to be a good bike for its purpose
Clunky suspension and snatchy throttle response do not promote comfort . I am looking for suggestions on fixes, something I overlooked or missed .I've run shinko s on my Ape and they were fine. I have no issues with the tires on the bike,low speed and highway grip was fine . I'm looking for cures for clunky suspension flexy front end and carburetion. If this bike is a clunky flexy snatchy machine to everyone then I know its the bike but my research before buying led me to believe these are awesome travel machines. I am looking for mechanical fixes- ideas
Thanks
Stoby

All your other bikes are not touring machines. Maybe a mindset needs changing? Seems you're mind is still geared for quick and agile bikes.
I have a suggestion, see your PM.
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Stoby » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:28 pm

I seem to be getting lost in translation
I DO NOT EXPECT IT TO BE A SPORTBIKE. I dont expect it to feel like a clunky POS either.I have never owned or ridden one before so I have no reference. Can someone respond with suggestions other than what my expectations should be . Please read my posts. I KNOW BIKES. This one has what I believe are issues .I want to fix them! If they are fixable??? If its the nature of the beast then I'll just have to live with it but I think its a curable problem.
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby FM-USA » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:46 pm

Hey stoby, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET YOUR IRE UP, I read and reread your posts and responding to what your concerns were and your other bikes as reference.
Sorry IF I'm wrong.
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Stoby » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:50 pm

My ire is not up. I'm just trying to clarify what info I'm looking for. I'm not trying to offend just get some help.

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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby FM-USA » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:57 pm

My PM is some help... it's what I went through with similar symptoms as you mentioned. I don't dare make that info public, a few here want to banter my methods.
I too been a wrench for over a 1/2 century now (cars, trucks, semis, trailers and bikes) and have been known to fix near major 'x' with minimal means. We all have our tricks of the trade, some (banterers) just can't grasp the fact others have knowledge that's not in the book. Oh well, there loss.

Other than what I sent in PM, only other suggestion is check vacuum lines. Older machines have cracked vac lines, mine did but got lucky, they were at the clamps. The most prevalent vac leak is the petcock. Snipped a little and all was good.

GOOD LUCK ;)
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Wingsconsin » Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:05 pm

The GL1500 was/is the premier touring bike of it's time.

The '88 and '89 versions were not really up to contemporary standards.
The off idle stumble in those years is well documented - many have come to overlook it and some have tinkered it away over countless hours of carburation work -
The suspension can be softened to make it a really comfortable highway mile eater - Progressives are a really good start in the front - do not add air pressure to the front - rear suspension was always lacking and new stock shocks may not be enough. The Progressive 416s air suspension is a really great way to allow adjustment to suit your load.
The Shinko tires have proven to not be a great tire choice for the 1000 lbs animal the GL1500 is... a good tire for some applications as I have used them on a GS650 and a CX500 previously - monitor your pressures and watch the tire as it ages (just my experiences)
Rattles develop as the plastic ages and fasteners loosen - care and attention to detail may find many of them and allow you to be rid of them.
Flexy front end may be the need to add a Super Brace fork brace...



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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby aj1500 » Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:43 pm

I had a 88 for a few years, during that time it developed the dreaded off idle surge. this is something that is difficult to adjust to
in my case I sold it before fixing it but the new owner let me know that it was the diaphrams on the carbs, cost him a whopping 45.00 to repair
I did do the progressives in the front, I didn't like the ride at first so I changed the oil wt to 15 and it was better, not sure what is in your forks
also make sure your anti-dive is working. I would suggest you keep the rear air up pretty high to give the best ride
I'm not suggesting this but I will say the one thing that made the biggest difference in ride comfort was going double dark side
there is no way to explain it other than to experience it
as for dragging pegs, the ole girl will scrape them with the best of em and keep on screaming
I will say my 88 rode better than my current 97 as far as comfort so there is definnatly hope for yours
Oh and my 88 had 200K + on it

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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby ct1500 » Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:17 pm

The fork oil might be overfilled or too heavy of a weight, I like 10w for a less jarring ride with the progressive. High tire pressures will give a firmer jarring ride which is why Honda spec'ed out pressures I think in the low 30's.

OEM Honda pads provide very decent stopping power whereas some of the bargain basement brands are terrible.

OEM rear suspension is the definition of plushness, why the change?
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Happytrails » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:24 pm

Fork oil may be a good point. If you have 15w in there you may need to try 10w or even 5w. My wing tends to handle like a whooly mammath if i dont keep the tire pressures up. And 88-89s did have a recall I believe for off idle stumble. But some people say they never experienced it. You could try the easiest things first like seafoam or stabil blue in the tank to help clean the carbs. As much as I love seafoam I think stabil may be better. You should be able to get your wing the way you want it. You will need to start eliminating possible issues.
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Bobsiler » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:48 pm

I've put 18,000 miles on my '88 since buying it last year. Absolutely love it. She just turned 68,000 miles today. The previous owner had the carbs swapped out to '95 units. No hesitation for me. I went with the Blackwing fork brace and have Progressives for the front i havent installed yet. I put Progressive 416's on the rear and run them at about 45psi. Dunlop E3's on my second set and they have done well so far. Had to take off the floorboards i put on because i like to scrape the pegs and can't lean far enough with the floorboards. Hartco seat and highway boards set me up for a 2700 mile ride over 9 days a couple of weeks back. Did a couple 475 mile days and was still ready for more. Great bike for 28 years old.

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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby aj1500 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:02 am

oops I stand corrected, I meant I used 15w oil in forks then went to 10w for a better ride
but I may go back to the 15w, since I added the sidecar it seems I need just a little more up front now

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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby CrystalPistol » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:08 am

Forks .... you have a brace and Progressive springs already ..... use NO added air and experiment with different wgt fork oils. My 1200 uses Progressives and I disconnected air, I have tried 20, 15, 10 wgt fork oils ..... settled on 15 wgt Belray in the '85 GL1200s forks. Plush & controlled sums it up.
I believe that I use 325 CC in the forks of my 1500, but it's a '97 and has a rake as it's a trike ..... I use ATF in it at present.
Rear Sus .... again you have Progressives I see, are they the matched 416 series where both are same or is it that now discontinued IAS single spring shock on one side? I prefer the matched pairs that load the swing arm equally side to side, 45 psi is good one up, 60 is good loaded two up. The way they (Progressive) used to suggest to set it is bike on center stand, air up to 100 psi, measure length of shock, the drop bike on wheels loaded as intended and release air for a 1" drop from top.
Tires .... you aren't doing yourself any favors with those.
Throttle Lag .... common to the 88-89s, but can sometimes be minimized by adjusting idle setting to between 750-850 rpm hot. Carbs may need going through ..... I like the idea of updating to later like '95, etc as stated above.
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Stoby » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:17 pm

Okay So I am gonna look into changing fork oil. For those who asked I have the progressive air shocks in rear.
The rear seems fine anyways the old lady said she was comfortable . The front was where I felt the issues . Curious does anyone think its worth buying newer used carbs and rebuild/install cost & time wise? How big a project are the carbs? I just really want to get this bike sorted as I can use her for everything going to work - small grocery getting etc. and hopefully x country later this year
Thanks all to every idea and suggestion
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby Happytrails » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:18 pm

If it were me I would start at least expensive and work my way thru possibilities. Tweeking the idle screw was a good suggestion. I believe that part of the recall fix included rejetting and something different about the ECM.
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby CrystalPistol » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:31 pm

Stoby wrote: Okay So I am gonna look into changing fork oil.

They are sensitive to both quality (weight) and quantity (volume). Excess fork oil will make for little compression and blown seals. Once you have Progressive springs in .... the only use for the Schrader valves in the cap nuts is it lets you change fork oil so easily ... just drain, pump a few times, let drain, put plug in, and add at top. As I read it, your '88 has something just over 25K miles? If so ..... then your forks should be like new inside as far as bushings, etc.

Stoby wrote: Curious does anyone think its worth buying newer used carbs and rebuild/install cost & time wise? How big a project are the carbs? I just really want to get this bike sorted as I can use her for everything going to work - small grocery getting etc. and hopefully x country later this year

The deal with the later carbs is that that the calibrations Honda used were changed to eliminate that off idle stumble. I've ridden a 1500 with the stumble, it's agrevating if one is not used to it. My '97 has NO stumble, when I crack the throttle the tach jumps immediately. My buddiy's '96 is same way .... but another buddy with a '96 had a hesitation and his idle was up like 1100. I adjusted idle one day and his hesitation was gone.

Is it worth it ..... depends on your desires and tollerances.
Me ???? If I had the stumble and then took a ride on one that didn't do it ...... I'd be finding a fix.

Stoby wrote: Thanks all to every idea and suggestion
Stoby

You are welcomed ..... just hope it helps. An '88 GL1500 with 25K miles, once sorted out and cobwebs removed ..... should provide a few hundred thousand miles of smiles.
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Re: my 88 seems really dated Any help??

Postby billbob » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:33 am

I have owned gl 1200,gl1500 and gl1800 ,the gl 1500 is my favorite .Great power ,unreal ride ,fits me just right.Hope you can find your niche with this bike.




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