Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE


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Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby redwing5 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:35 pm



Have you seen this intermittent electrical problem? I turn the switch to "on" & all lights come on, starts normal, etc.
While on another occasion, I turn my switch to "on" & everything is BLACK!!
-- Even had instance where while sitting on bike with key in "on" position & everything is BLACK -- then all lights come on & starts normal
Last use, I was leaving parking lot at work drifting in neutral to lot gate, & the bike went "BLACK" ; had to call for tow.
Pulled the Relays panel (left side next to fuse panel) & found that "IGN/Cruise-Relay#6" -- is good, but where it plugs in is dead (ie: voltmeter showed no voltage to "hot" lead, while testing to all other relays did show voltage).
So far, have not sought to diagnose problem at key switch location, as not trying to dis-assemble fork, etc...
Any ideas on how to trace / fix ?? [ FOOTNOTE: 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE with 77,000 miles ]



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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby NVSB4 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:43 pm

The Honda Service Manual steps for "No lights (except LCD unit illumination) come on with the ignition switch on."
" Faulty relay 3 in the relay box (tail, main)
" Open or short circuit in wire harness from relay 3 to battery
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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby ct1500 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:32 pm

Check 30A fuse and its' connections which attach to relay A on the right side of battery. With key on and everything lit up give it a wiggle test and see if things go dark.
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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Mh434 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:20 pm

My advice (its cost to you indicates its worth!) is to try tapping on relay #3 with the handle of a screwdriver. That sucker seems to be related to the majority of weird GL1500 ignition-related issues (in my case, everything stayed ON, with the ignition off!). If that doesn't do anything, try swapping another relay into #3's location...

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:43 pm

I'd vote for #3 relay, or its socket, as well. I've read a TON of problems on these and other pages, and the #3 relay was the solution in MANY of those cases. It is apparently a very important, key relay, to the operation of the GL1500. Those relays are easily, and relatively cheaply available from this site, here >>>>>>>


http://goldwingdocs.com/Store/Goldwing- ... MS-H30.asp

I bought 2 just to have on hand for when one of them takes a crap. Good insurance.
BTW, this relay is the direct replacement for several of the relays in the panel. And, it's an OEM part, not some offbeat "sorta fits" substitute.

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Mh434 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:31 pm

Yep - what Blue said!

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby redwing5 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:49 pm

Thank you ever so much for the suggested solutions... I will try them...

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby redwing5 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:36 pm

Weds. 8/03/16 UPDATE:

To all who offered suggestions, I thank you... My situation remains "unknown" as like earlier sharing, the dang bike lights & all were again working prior to my doing any of the suggested testing. We tried the things suggested about Relay#3, we tested the 30A fuse beside battery, but never could get the bike to "black-out"...

We even did things such as remove Relay#3 and the bike kept running. Of course, Relay#6 socket which test as dead when all things were black, is working...

Soooo, I currently have all kinds of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about riding... my last occurrence of Bike going Black while drifting in neutral has me not wanting something like that to happen while riding on major interstate; in our heavy traffic roadways...

I'll gladly take any additional inputs / suggestions...

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby RBGERSON » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:43 pm

I vote for the ignition switch being flaky..the buttons inside wear down and don't make good contact. If wiggling and pressing down on the key lights things up I'd say 99% that's the issue. replacing the ignition switch isn't too hard..and doesn't requiring removing the fairing if i remember correctly. Just the ignition cover, side cups and the maybe the handle bars to make access easier.
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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Charlie1Horse » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:14 pm

Add any new accessories lately? Maybe extra lights with taped up connections? If so, try checking those for shorting connections or damaged (shorted) wiring near any other add on accessories. Done any other repairs lately? Recheck wiring there.
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Re: Mon. Aug. 8th Update -- Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby redwing5 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:08 am

Thanx again all for the suggestions... I've done a bunch of tinkering with the 30amp fuse, interchanging several of the 20-amp relays, particularly fooling with #6 & #3... definitely tighten down battery terminals...

The bike is lighting up, it is starting very normally, but I have little confidence that I've solved (I did have a spar 20amp - will order more from Godwing docs :-)

I'm wondering if maybe I've never had an ignition issue, simply some electrical issue... true bummer to chase for sure !!

Here's a new twist --> so far, trying 2 different "Battery Tender-plus" & "Battery Tender Automatic" -- continues blinking "RED" never going to "GREEN"...

*** Any suggestions on why it's not charging !!!!

1. Battery is new 5-month old YUASA maintenance free (last one lasted 6-yrs)

2. I'm thinking I'll again take off / clean / reconnect terminals

3. BTW, with bike just sitting several days, bike starts are immediate & horn sounds strong, lights look bright, etc.
-- I did run it for 10mins, then off for 20mins, then on for 10mins

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Mh434 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:56 pm

Honestly, it sounds like you've fixed the problem (just unplugging & plugging the relays could have cleaned up a weak connection that was causing the problem!).

Don't rely on the fact that the battery is fairly new - there ARE duds out there, and even new OEM-equivalents can be weak! I've even seen the odd thread here, where chasing down a charging problem ended up being a new, but "sub-optimal" battery. You really need to eliminate this issue to reduce the number of variables you're working with - most places that sell batteries (Pep Boys, etc.) will load-test it for you, for free. If it tests out healthy, you can move on to other issues.

Remember - weak batteries & barely-marginal OEM alternators (if yours is original, it's made in China) are the NORM in GL1500's, which is why so many (me included) have gone to aftermarket, high-output alternators and AGM-style batteries. Once I did that, all my weird electrical foibles disappeared (knocking on wood, here!). Well, that and a glitchy relay #3....

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Bluewaterhooker0 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:19 pm

Sounds like you may have 'fixed' it in playing with the relays. As suggested, just plugging and unplugging the relays and/or fuses can remake the connections. You could also still have an intermittent relay, if it was not actually replaced. The contacts inside those relays get burned, and can make intermittent contact. I would replace any you suspect, and see how it goes.

Regarding the Battery Tender, I would pull the battery, or disconnect it from the bike wiring, and see if it doesn't go full GREEN. If it does, you make have a higher than normal parasitic load that is keeping that RED light in the charge mode (parasitic load should be in the very low milliamp range / 5-10ma ?). Since you are experiencing the same issue with 2 different chargers, that should rule out charger defects. If it still won't charge to GREEN with the battery disconnected from the bike, I'd say you do indeed have a battery issue. I've had similar issues with my boat batteries. They will work, even though they won't fully charge. But, the fact that they won't take a full charge is an early indication of a failing battery. Generally, the boat batteries will show that failure in the near future. That's why I have 2 batteries in the boat, independently switchable. As was stated, 5 months old is not an indication of a good battery.

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Charlie1Horse » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:29 pm

You can't diagnose a problem if it is not acting up. Just because it is OK now doesn't mean it is fixed. You should carry all necessary test equipment with you and, in the case of failure you can immediately tap on relays, test power on relevant fuses, and trace the problem at that time. Keep testing at that time until the problem is found. In case you still don't know what corrected the problem, consider it not fixed until it happens again. Always, ALWAYS, carry a test light, voltmeter, and at least a basic tool kit so you are always prepared. Again, unless you are absolutely sure you found the problem, consider it NOT FIXED!
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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby redwing5 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:12 pm

Simply Marvelous... you are appreciated !! at best, I'm a novice with a wrench & surely don't get "electricity" (lol) !!!
--- but you all have made it pretty dang plain

I sincerely enjoy that we are all talking along similar lines...
1. Today, I plugged the battery tender into my wife's Shadow 750 & it went red to green in less than a minute (chargers are fine)

2. Tomorrow, I will pull the battery and do the suggested standalone battery tender test

3. Next, I will take the battery back to purchase place & have it load-tested (yep, I'll take receipt too... :-)

I will update you as I continue to fish... & ride... ( so far used 2 of my 10 GWRRA tows )

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby redwing5 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:24 pm

Good Friday to you all...

On Thursday, after a week of tinkering & numerous turning on/off ignition -- all lights coming on etc... Not so good, was that although it started repeatedly, it cut off a number of times even with the chock on full; it kept seemingly feeling like electrical vs. cold engine !!
-- I did eventually take it for a ride around the neighborhood (~3 miles total).

Okayyyy... it's Friday & I'm out to the garage for a test ride and everything is BLACK again!!! Good News, it's in the garage :-)

I have a Tuesday Aug. 16th appointment to take it for diagnostic test at Honda dealer... I will have it towed there Monday afternoon (sigh!!)

I would like your opinions, as another Bike Shop I talked to today suggest it may be the "Main Control Module" -- Any thoughts are welcome!!

-- looking on line, i see several module = ECU, Ignition, Cruise Control, etc...
-- albeit it's the dealer's turn, I'll gladly take in as much education as I can... you all are so very appreciated !!

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Charlie1Horse » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:51 pm

Have you checked the two wires under the kill switch?
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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby redwing5 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:33 pm

Wanted to provide an update to the many who offered suggestions...
-- Was away for a week, picked up bike from Honda Bike Shop on Sat. 8/27/2016

Once diagnostics done, they reported that problem was Starter Relay, but upon working on it they found
a "Housing Assembly - Fuse" box that was crumbling/deteriorating -- in their words "Starter Relay was making bad connection".

End Result - they replaced the housing assembly ($27.20)...

Back in September 2015, I had an issue where the bike would NOT turn off (turning key nor pulling fuses worked); I had to let it drain the battery before it died. My bike doctor/mechanic buddy changed out the primary & secondary Starter Relays

My hope / assumption is that them being replaced about a year ago may be why Honda Bike shop did NOT need to replace Starter Relay

Similarly, I am thinking that the last September event may have been the genesis of the housing assembly meltdown/deterioration

Thoughts are welcome :-)

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby ct1500 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:42 pm

redwing5 wrote:Wanted to provide an update to the many who offered suggestions...
-- Was away for a week, picked up bike from Honda Bike Shop on Sat. 8/27/2016
Once diagnostics done, they reported that problem was Starter Relay, but upon working on it they found
a "Housing Assembly - Fuse" box that was crumbling/deteriorating -- in their words "Starter Relay was making bad connection".
End Result - they replaced the housing assembly ($27.20)...
Back in September 2015, I had an issue where the bike would NOT turn off (turning key nor pulling fuses worked); I had to let it drain the battery before it died. Similarly, I am thinking that the last September event may have been the genesis of the housing assembly meltdown/deterioration
Thoughts are welcome :-)


The 30A fuse and housing can be a trouble spot and is the first check with a dead/intermittent bike with no lights. A bad relay in the box will not cause all lights to be inoperative.
The starter running on previously could have contributed to the fuse holder failure on starter relay A but incorrectly added electrical accessories can also melt down that assembly.
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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby bbstacker » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:10 pm

I started reading this post because I have the same problem with my 93 1500 Aspencade. After my last ride, I got home and shut it down, but the next time I wanted to ride I put the key in and turned it and there was nothing, no head light or dash lights totally dark. I have charhed the battery and it is reading 14 volts right now. This happened once before and I cleaned the battery terminals and all connections and the bike went to working again. At this time I do not have a service manual, but I have ordered one, waiting for it to get here. Reading the replies there is a lot of talk about relays, and the 30 amp fuse to the right of the battery. Is this fuse the dogbone fuse? Where are these relays located on the bike. To be honest my forst thought was the ignition switch as was mentioned. I had a wire come loose on the ignition switch on my 1200 Interstate and that was an easy fix. This 1500 seems a lot more complicated than my 1200. Can some one point me to the relays discussed in this post? I would appreciate any assistance given. Want to get back to riding.

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby Charlie1Horse » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:25 pm

Yes on the fuse. The relays are in a box behind the front of the left saddlebag. You need to take the front of the saddlebag loose so you can get to the relays. As some here have done, try tapping on the relays with a screwdriver handle first and see if it gets power. That may help you find which relay is the problem. If you need to replace them WingAdmin has them for sale at a great price here on the forum.
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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby bbstacker » Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:14 pm

Charlie 1 Horse I appreciate the info, I'll have to wqait til Tuesday before I can check it out but I will.
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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby redwing5 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:13 am

Hey bbstacker... I get the feeling you are like us an ol' timer as you are awaiting the manual... (just joshing - lol) !!

Remember that the internet is your friend... I just googled "1993 honda 1500 aspencade relays" & got this URL -- check it out (pics a plenty)

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... .16615j0j8

not sure if same on your 1993, but on my 2000, to get to the relays required me to remove the seat as it was partially covering the top bolts

I like others have posted carry extra 20amp & a 10amp relays -- definitely nicely priced here on Goldwingdocs website !!

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Re: Ignition System issue on 2000 Goldwing 1500 SE

Postby bbstacker » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:10 pm

Redwing 5 I appreciate the come back. I checked it out and it looks right. Looking at the relays you don't seem to be able to see if it is burned out just by look at it. Not an ice cube relay. But on top of that I find as I am trying to remove the left saddle bag to get to the relays, I have to remove the trunk also. This is why I wait for the manual, so I can read first, make a plan, and then go into action having everything I need before hand. I' keep ploding away and see if I can figure it out. Will look for the relays on this site.
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