Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500


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Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:12 pm



I found a few links on removing the bag, but nothing about removing the caliper and installing the brake shoes. Is there a video or a good step by step procedure or hints and tricks on tools etc... I just put my bike in the shop, told them taking a 2000 mile trip, had complete fluid change and service and wanted them to completely check it over, they call me add front brakes and tires, a couple hundred miles into the trip my back brakes start grinding, I am so pissed off, now here I am on my trip, / break and gotta put rear brake pads on to continue my trip. Have just the Goldwing tools and a buddy has a socket set and c-clamp. Any directions to a good video or step by step instructions. I have no means to print but can take pics on my phone of good directions. Thanks you guys are always great.



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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby Happytrails » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:19 pm

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:47 pm

Remove the seat - 6 mm Allen wrench needed.
Remove the under trunk cover, four screws - #2 Phillips Screwdriver needed
Remove the lower saddlebag corner, two screws - #2 Phillips needed
Disconnect the left saddlebag lights
Remove the four bolts that hold the saddlebag on, two upper and two lower - 8 mm socket or 5/16" socket needed.
Remove the saddlebag opening latch bar clip from the rod that connects to the front and rear latches in the left saddlebag.
Push out the cable clip that holds the latch release cable in the left saddlebag.
Slide the saddlebag to the rear a couple of inches to clear the trunk molding and then remove the bag and set it aside.
The caliper is held in place by two bolts. A 14 mm and a 12 mm socket will be needed to remove it.
Spread the brake pads/caliper pistons slightly so you can lift the caliper up and off the rear disk.
Remove the keeper that holds the pad pin bolts in place. - 8 mm socket needed.
Spread the pads as far apart as you can get them to allow for installation of new pads.
Remove the pad pin bolts and pads.
Install new pads.

Reverse removal of parts to reassemble.

DO NOT forget to reattach the latch release cable in the saddlebag.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:46 pm

Thank you so much this was exactly what I was looking for and what I needed. For some reason when I searched the Forum I couldn't find this. I am beginning to wonder though if there is a motorcycle repair shop anywhere that can be trusted. This oversight, is costing me two days of a planned 7-10 day ride. After I expressly told them at the shop to go over the entire bike, paid them $1000 for a 40,000 mi service and new tires. And they send me on my way for a two thousand mile trip, with 1/32" left on the rear brake pads. 150 mile into tge trip and I start hearing the warning scratch of the metal keepers, or whatever it is. But, thank God for the ears to hear snd the warning sound letting me know that the brakes were shot.

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby brettchallenger » Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:34 am

Let us all know how you fared. I know you feel angry and a bit let down at the moment but when you look back on your break, this incident will no doubt be one of the things you remember with fondness (well it will if you get the new pads fitted without too many tears).
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:25 am

is it normal fir the caliper to have a littke play in it once re-installed?

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:31 pm

Can you please define a little play?

Once the to bolts are tightened, the caliper should be solidly mounted to the triangular caliper mount bracket but should be able to move in and out slightly to allow for brake pad wear and proper alignment with the rotor. So yes, I guess a little play is normal.

The bracket should be solidly mounted to the rear wheel axle and should not be moveable.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:48 pm

Yes just a little if I grab the caliper after installing, tighteng bolt and pumping rear brakes to get full pedal, I can notice just a slight back and forth play. Side to side not in the direction of the rotor rotation.

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:50 pm

Yes, that is normal.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:58 pm

Thank you, I just know with car caliper those usually cant be moved at all. Brakes were fone in less than 2 hours directions were perfect. 90% of the process is removing and realigning the plastics, just turned around what I thought was going to be a near wasted trip. You guys have been great and very helpful, knowledgeable and cordial setiously life savers.

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:22 pm

Happy we were able to help and glad that you got it all done.

With most of the work on our wings, disassembly and reassembly seems to always take the longest amount of time.

By the way, try not to be too hard on your local Honda shop. Asking them to check everything over can be a daunting task. "Everything" is a whole lot of things to check. Maybe be a little more specific. Like, "Check or change the tires and while you do that, check the brake pad life. Check the forks for leakage, check the Brake Fluid level, Oil quantity, and Antifreeze level too. And if you would, can you test the alternator and load test my battery while you are there?"

Checking the air filter may have been a good idea too but that would take at least an hour's labor. Had they done that, it would have been cost effective to replace the filter while they were in there.

And, keep a record of when you had certain things accomplished. How many miles are on the brake pads? When did you last change the Brake Fluid?. When was the Oil and filter changed? When was the last time the antifreeze was replaced. How many miles has it been since the air filter was replaced? How old is the battery? Is it maintaining voltage like it should? Does the alternator keep the running voltage at 13.9 to 14.2 volts?
The people that work on your machine are not going to keep those kinds of records for you, it will be up to you to do that.

So many systems.

Last but not least, check the tire pressure daily. An aftermarket TPMS is worth the investment, as long as you have solid metal valve stems. The OEM stems are rubber and can fail with the added load of the TPMS sensor.

Enjoy your vacation and trip.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:02 pm

Yep got metal valve stems and tire pressure affects the ride tremendously. Wouldnt had been so hard on the shop except for the fact I told the owner the night before when I dropped the bike off that there was a list in the leather glove compartment and a set of plugs in the trunk, both of which were ignored, it was in for 40,000 mi.Visit and many things it appears were over looked. So, while I am not as upset as I was, I will have to probably, start as many of these msintenance and repair items I can do myself.

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:37 pm

Doing your own preventive maintenance is its own reward, both monetarily and in peace of mind.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:10 pm

Okay, I have another question, it appears the noise that prompted me to check the rear brakes (which were shot) is still there, and I believe it is coming from the front forks, kind of like what rubber sounds like when its rubbing on dry metal. Am I low on fork oil? I dont see where the seals are leaking. But kind of sounds like rubber squeaking. Where or how do I add fork oil, or at the least check it, or is that a contained system?

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:14 pm

Only makes noise when applying the back brakes, I think I may have read where air in the brake lines could do that as well? Is that correct. They did just put front shoes on and flushed the brake lines and added new fluid.

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:24 pm

I seriously doubt it has anything to do with front fork oil.
I am more inclined to think it would be the left front brake pads. The left front and rear brakes operate with the brake foot pedal. The right front brakes operate with the brake hand lever.

Maybe there is something caught between one of the pads and the rotor. I have had that happen to me in the past. Try rolling the bike backwards and apply the foot brake to see if it is a foreign particle that might clear itself from the rotor.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:27 pm

That sounds reasonable as they just changed the front pads. And it actually sounds near a buzzing or almost electrical sound.

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:29 pm

faithtalker1 wrote:... Where or how do I add fork oil, or at the least check it, or is that a contained system?

Just so you will know, You can not check or add fork oil without taking the fork caps off and there really is no reason to do that.

I find it suspicious that they changed the brake pads in the front and added new fluid but did not check the pads in the rear. Were both sets of pads replaced up front? The only way to know for sure is to remove the rotor covers and do a physical inspection. Perhaps they did not replace both sets of front pads and the left set is worn out as well. The front pads usually wears out before the rear if the pads are of the same manufacturer and composition.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:40 pm

I was just told it needed front brakes, and the fluids qere supposed to be standard 40,000 mi service. So, I guess its possible the only changed the one for the right side, I will check them tomorrow, anything I need to know about getting the rotor covers off, or is it just the two visible bolts at the bottom?

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:53 pm

Also assuming the front brakes are as easy to change as the back. I bet he did just change the one set cause he told me the cost of he pads were just over $30 so I am assuming he would have said $30 for each of the two sets. Now I am even more upset. It sounds as if I willbe changing the other side of the front to now.

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:57 pm

There are three bolts.

The two at the bottom and there is one more at the top under the small fender filler piece.

You will need an 8 mm socket to remove the bolts. There are "T" shaped washer/spacers under the two bottom bolts. There is a clamp under the top bolt.

Notice the tabs on the fender filler and the grommet that the fender filler plastic stud fits into. Make sure that stud is in the grommet after you reinstall the fender filler piece. Those little filler are pretty pricey. The list price is ab out $198. Don't lose one.

Once the bolts are removed, the rotor cover comes off very easily. The clamp at the top may come apart as it is a two piece clamp. I use a nylon tie wrap to hold them together. Anything will work in a pinch.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:11 pm

The front brakes will be more complicated and you will probably need more tools than you have on hand.

Look at the following article on this board. It will explain it very well and show some very detailed pictures.

http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11061

For step 7, I recommend that you have a hand impact screwdriver. Those pad pin bolt caps are sometimes very hard to get loose. A regular screwdriver may work but it all depends on how much authority the last person used to install them. A lot of torque is not needed to install but some people use more effort than needed.
In step 8, the socket headed pad pin bolts may be difficult as well. Take care with them. Do not round out the hex socket heads. You do not want to round out the hex sockets. I recommend a ratchet and hex wrench attached to an extension for removing them, as shown in the picture.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby faithtalker1 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:43 pm

Once again thanks for the help and the links, but I think I am going to call the local shop tomorrow and 1st see if they have the pads, then if so see if they can squeeze me in. Looks as if I have everything I need at home, but not here. I was planning on riding a very hilly snd curvy 65 mile stretch of road on my way back home and would hate to chew up a front rotor in the process, I am a little more than flustered at this point, as absolutely none of this makes any sense at all.

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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby MikeB » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:21 am

How's it going with your brake woes? Hopefully you have it pretty well ironed out by now.
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Re: Rear Brake pads 1995 gl1500

Postby Charlie1Horse » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:10 pm

Well, if I'd just bought new tires I would certainly be upset at these guys because the brakes need to be removed to change the tires.
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