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stubborn oil filter

Post by TwoTone Trike » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:08 am



Hi all. I recently purchased a 1999 Gold Wing se. Being new to me I changed the timing belts and tensioners, the air, cruise, sub,and fuel filters, I also flushed the radiator so that way I know that all is good to go. My problem is with the oil filter. It seems as if it was torqued on. I've tried the show chrome filter wrench, a strap wrench, I've even tried to chisel a notch in the lip of the filter and using a screw driver to tap it off to no avail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tony



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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:56 am

TwoTone Trike wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:08 am
Hi all. I recently purchased a 1999 Gold Wing se. Being new to me I changed the timing belts and tensioners, the air, cruise, sub,and fuel filters, I also flushed the radiator so that way I know that all is good to go. My problem is with the oil filter. It seems as if it was torqued on. I've tried the show chrome filter wrench, a strap wrench, I've even tried to chisel a notch in the lip of the filter and using a screw driver to tap it off to no avail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tony
There is a rubber oring which seals the oil and creates the friction.
If it is overtightened than the friction will be high. Maybe some WD40 around the filter will help to loosen it.

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by ct1500 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:24 am

When Magilla Gorilla has over tightened a filter they will always eventually come off but they do get crushed and destroyed in the process. A correct heavy duty strap wrench along with filter pliers gets the job done.
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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by TwoTone Trike » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:21 am

Thanks Erdeniz and ct1500. I bought filter pliers and was able to get it to barely move before the filter crumpled. But it was enough that I was able to use a screw driver and tap it loose. I guarantee that will never happen again as I'll be the only one to ever change her oil again. Thanks again, Tony

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by Happytrails » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:43 am

For stuck filters I've always had the most luck with one of these kinds of wrenches.





Just fold some sandpaper or a sanding disk in half then place it betweel the wrench and filter to give it some bite and it will grab hold really good.
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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by TwoTone Trike » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:28 pm

Thanks Happytrails, That's a good idea. I'll have to remember that. Tony

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by WingAdmin » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:01 pm

I've used one of these for years, and it works perfectly:

https://www.amazon.com/Show-Chrome-Acce ... ingdocs-20





It is thin enough to slip up in front of the filter, and it slips over the knurled edge of the top of the filter very tightly, so you can rotate it. Never fails. You don't even have to take the lower cowl off.

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I use it to put the new one on as well:

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When I have had oil filters REALLY stuck, I have taken a screwdriver and a hammer, driven the screwdriver through the side of the filter until it comes out the other side, then used that to lever it off.

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by bellboy40 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:56 pm

I have used that method to remove a stubborn oil filter someone had put on. I had already mangled it quite a bit trying to get it off then decided to just drive a screwdriver through it and try that. It worked like a charm although a bit messy.

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by Charlie1Horse » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:33 pm

If you clean the mating surface and lubricate the seal on the new filter with clean motor oil and tighten it as tightly as you can by hand (NO WRENCH) you will have a good seal and will never have trouble removing the filter with a wrench. By only tightening by hand, the seal will expand slightly with engine heat and it will be tighter than you torqued it by hand but, not so tight that it would be a problem removing. NOTE: be sure that the previous filter seal is removed with the filter. Double seals will leak.
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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by oldwings » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:43 am

Easiest method is to just drive a big screwdriver through it and off it comes. Way easier than a filter wrench.

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by SG_Jay » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:43 am

I use these with the 17mm nut built in to the end of the filter. I don't have to remove the cowl either and removal is easy.
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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by Wingsconsin » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:50 am

oldwings wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:43 am
Easiest method is to just drive a big screwdriver through it and off it comes. Way easier than a filter wrench.
I have seen this method mentioned a few times in this thread.
On my old 1500 I had to do this one time - and the filter just ripped apart.
I ended up tearing the filter apart and getting it off.
Then the ring at the bottom was still left on the engine housing..I had to use a chisel and VERY carefully drive it off without nicking the aluminum case. I was sick about it while I was working it off...
An oil change is supposed to be easy...
Not this one --
But never again - I am careful about installing the new filter so I know it will come off again.

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by RBGERSON » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:10 pm

+! big screw driver driven through the whole filter
HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by TwoTone Trike » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:13 pm

I tried the filter wrench that Wingadmin showed but it kept slipping. I tried using the screw driver through the filter once on a 78 Camaro and it just mangled it so I didn't want that mess again. I ended up using the chisel and tapping it off method. When I put it back on I just ran it up until the seal touched the block and then 3/4 off a turn as recommended by the filter manufacturer. I also went with a k&n filter with the nut on the end. Hopefully I'll never have this problem again. Thanks for all the great suggestions. You guys all rock! While I'm here is there a how to on rebuilding the carbs. Again many thanks. Tony

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by ct1500 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:26 pm

Yeah the screwdriver through the guts often times does not work especially on the cheap brand thin wall filter cans and just makes removal more difficult because of the distortion damage not to mention the mess.
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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by ct1500 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:33 pm

oldwings wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:43 am
Easiest method is to just drive a big screwdriver through it and off it comes. Way easier than a filter wrench.
Huh? Most folks usually take the easiest approach to a task and I can honestly say have never heard of or seen a mechanic or shop where spearing a filter is the preferred method during filter changes. :lol:
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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by Charlie1Horse » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:45 pm

Secret to success; never, Never, NEVER tighten an oil filter with any wrench, ever, Ever, EVER!!! Tighten it as tightly as you can with your bare hand. With engine heat the rubber seal will expand a bit and then you will need a wrench to remove it. If you tighten it with a wrench it will have to be basically destroyed to remove it.
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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by frostypop » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:47 pm

on the new filter I like to use grease on the o-ring instead of oil. just a then film of it. I don't know if it is any better or not but I have never had a problem. just like some of the others have said make sure you don't over tighten. 8-)

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:16 pm

TwoTone Trike wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:13 pm
I tried the filter wrench that Wingadmin showed but it kept slipping. I tried using the screw driver through the filter once on a 78 Camaro and it just mangled it so I didn't want that mess again. I ended up using the chisel and tapping it off method. When I put it back on I just ran it up until the seal touched the block and then 3/4 off a turn as recommended by the filter manufacturer. I also went with a k&n filter with the nut on the end. Hopefully I'll never have this problem again. Thanks for all the great suggestions. You guys all rock! While I'm here is there a how to on rebuilding the carbs. Again many thanks. Tony
What kind of filter are you using? I use the OEM Honda filters, and the Big Bike Parts wrench is so solid on there, it would physically mangle the filter before it ever slipped. I can't imagine that filter wrench would ever NOT be able to remove the filter, regardless of how tight it was on there.

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by TwoTone Trike » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:24 pm

I'm not sure but I think it was an OEM. As for the wrench it's a big bike parts. The bike is a 1999 se Hannigan trike kit with 109,000 on it. The previous owner said it had been serviced but for my own peace of mind I changed the oil anyway. Glad I did as the oil did not look fresh. Also thanks to your how to's I've changed the timing belts, fuel, air, sub and cruise filters. It's nice to have knowledgeable people to turn to when I need help. Keep up the good work. Keep the rubber side down, Tony.

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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by FM-USA » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:06 am

If it's that stuck you probably got one of those (ah-hem) mechanics that believes in "Cleanliness is next to Godliness".
After BEAUTIFULLY cleaning the filter seal and filter flange, he installed that filter dry. Engine heat literally bonded the seal to the flange.
I had a few cars like that. Poked a screwdriver through and a slip-jaw wrench to get it OFT. :evil:
Filter looked like the end of wrapped candy. :shock:
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Re: stubborn oil filter

Post by TwoTone Trike » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:14 pm

Hey FM-USA, That's what I'd pretty much figured. But that'll not happen again as I'll be the only one changing my oil from now on. Keep the rubber side, Tony



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