1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra


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1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by ZTatZAU » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:23 pm



I read all I could find but wasn't able to find much tire feedback in "recent posts". My sweet '89 GL1500 with 36k miles has about 16k on the current set of Elite 2's and I'm starting to get the old "worn out wobble" going through 35-40 mph in either direction. Nothing I can't overcome with both hands on the bars but somewhat disconcerting. I noticed some scalloping on the front tire a while back but the scalloping now has worn back down pretty smooth. I figure it's time for some new tires.

I was pretty well set on pulling the trigger on a pair of Elite 4's today (130/70-18 & 160/80B16) but then read some pretty good reviews on the Bridgestone Exedras (G701 & G702). I've read all the marketing claims of both tire makers on handling, smoothness, noise levels, wet and dry performance, longevity, etc., and if all that info is factual,the Exedras seem to compare well and appear to be a bit better value... price-wise.

I realize that getting opinions on tires is very subjective and "one man's meat can be another's poison!" BUT! I would appreciate any feedback and opinions from other GL1500 who have significant time and/or miles on either of these two tire choices???

I'd also like any opinions from vintage GL1500 riders on whether or not I should stick with bias ply tires as opposed to trying a set of radials???

And finally, has anyone tried the more recent Exedra Max Cruiser and Touring tires on an older GL1500??? If so, what size did you use on the back wheel as I couldn't find a rear tire Exedra Max in 160/80-16???

Thanks for any replies! ZT



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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by dodgeball » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:41 pm

My 89 1500 also in need of tires. Lot of research and decided on Dunlop elite 4 . Local bike shop $350 plus Dunlop giving a $50 rebate on a set. Bike has elite 3 on now ,cupping.lot of people recommend Dunlop for goldwings. Just my opinion. Good luck

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by ZTatZAU » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:40 am

dodgeball wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:41 pm
My 89 1500 also in need of tires. Lot of research and decided on Dunlop elite 4 . Local bike shop $350 plus Dunlop giving a $50 rebate on a set. Bike has elite 3 on now ,cupping.lot of people recommend Dunlop for goldwings. Just my opinion. Good luck
Thanks for your reply dodgeball!

Wow! $350 for the pair? That's almost $30 less than the best prices I'm finding online from the "discount guys" and very competitive for a retail "brick and mortar shop" in town. Especially if the $350 included mounting and balancing the set! Is this shop right there in Marshfield?

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by Wingsconsin » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:58 am

I am one of the vintage guys you are looking for I suppose.
I have owned GL1500s previously and wore out many a set of tires.
If I had to buy tires today for a GL1500 I would consider the following :

Dunlop E4s - Longevity - New design promises less noise (to be seen) - But I like the look of them

Avon Cobra - Avon has always been a good choice for the 1500s Venom X was a favorite - they make the Cobra in bias ply.
(I am running them currently as a radial on my 1800 and really like them)

Bridgestone - No experience using them on a 1500 - but on my 1800 in radial format they were really good but wore out quickly

My opinion: Stay with the bias tire for the 1500 - I think radials would work - but I don;t think you will gain anything from the switch.



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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by hugger-4641 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:19 am

Maybe I just got a bad pick, but I tried the Bridgestone a few years ago and they didn't last long. Best I can remember I got about 10k on the front and less than that on the rear. I went through a period where I tried some different tires to see for myself and here's the gist of what I've decided for me and my Aspencade ranked from worst to best in my opinion:

Shinko- Will never waste money on again. You get what you pay for, they were cheap, but I think I pulled them off around 6k due to out of round and cupping.
Kenda- Not much better than Shinko.
Bridgestone - Mediocre handling, mediocre wear, 10k or less
Michelin - Handled almost as good as Metzler, but the handling was worse near the end of the life of the tire, lasted about 10k.
Metzler- Best handling and best riding tire I've tried. They handled good right up until the end, but didn't last long. I think I pushed them to 12k but I probably should have pulled them sooner.
Avon- Good handling and a little better milage than Metzler or Michelin, but don't last as long as Dunlop.
Dunlop E-3- Overall the best I've found for milage. They don't handle as good as Avon or Metzler, but they're close and they last longer. I've worn out a few sets and they have lasted 13k to 15k.

I don't believe I have tried Goodyear or Pirelli yet. I am currently running an Austone Taxi tire on the rear and Avon venom rear tire on the front. I'll let you know my opinion of this when I get a few more miles on them. 8-)

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:36 pm

hugger-4641 wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:19 am
Maybe I just got a bad pick, but I tried the Bridgestone a few years ago and they didn't last long. Best I can remember I got about 10k on the front and less than that on the rear. I went through a period where I tried some different tires to see for myself and here's the gist of what I've decided for me and my Aspencade ranked from worst to best in my opinion:

Shinko- Will never waste money on again. You get what you pay for, they were cheap, but I think I pulled them off around 6k due to out of round and cupping.
Kenda- Not much better than Shinko.
Bridgestone - Mediocre handling, mediocre wear, 10k or less
Michelin - Handled almost as good as Metzler, but the handling was worse near the end of the life of the tire, lasted about 10k.
Metzler- Best handling and best riding tire I've tried. They handled good right up until the end, but didn't last long. I think I pushed them to 12k but I probably should have pulled them sooner.
Avon- Good handling and a little better milage than Metzler or Michelin, but don't last as long as Dunlop.
Dunlop E-3- Overall the best I've found for milage. They don't handle as good as Avon or Metzler, but they're close and they last longer. I've worn out a few sets and they have lasted 13k to 15k.

I don't believe I have tried Goodyear or Pirelli yet. I am currently running an Austone Taxi tire on the rear and Avon venom rear tire on the front. I'll let you know my opinion of this when I get a few more miles on them. 8-)
Those are excellent notes. Could you give some more specific information about the models of the tires, especially of Michelin, Metzeler and Bridgestone?

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by ZTatZAU » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:37 pm

My Thanks to dodgeball, wingsconsin, and hugger!

I do appreciate your thoughtful replies and all the information you've provided. I think I will go ahead and order up a set of the Dunlop Elite 4's in bias ply as originally equipped.

BTW: As opposed to the 16k miles I thought they had, I double checked my paperwork and determined today, that the Elite 2's I'm about to replace actually have just a few miles short of 12k miles which is more in line with the numbers I've read here.

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by Mh434 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:36 pm

I suspect you'll find a vast improvement moving from the E2's to the E4's. I recently got the latter installed, and noticed immediate improvements in braking, noise, tramlining, and cornering. Lifespan is, of course, some time away. I moved from the E3's and still noticed a big improvement, so from E2's to E4's should be like night and day.

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by ZTatZAU » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:22 pm

Thanks for your reply Mh! I appreciate your feedback on the Elite 4's!

I never really had any handling or noise complaints with the Elite 2's, as I put them on shortly after I bought the bike to replace the well worn OEM (K177?) tires it came with. So the vast majority of my GL1500 time was spent only on the Elite 2's. And yes, now that I've read about others complaining about it, they did get a bit squirrelly on grooved surfaces and tar lines, etc. but I always just assumed that was the nature of this new (to me) GL1500 beast. I should add that the E2's always seemed, to me anyway, to brake as well as any situation demanded and again, from what I've read here lately, I shouldn't really complain about getting 12k miles out of these old Elite 2's.

So the bottom line is, based on what you and others have written here, I am really looking forward to trying the E4's and will see how they stack up against what I'd simply gotten used to.

Thanks again to you and everyone else who's replied! ZT

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by GlimWas » Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:10 am

Driving with the E4's on both ends of the bike a few thousand km's , very happy with them till now. No info about durability yet, but the performance on wet is outstanding, trust me, i know :roll:
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Post by ZTatZAU » Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:36 pm

GlimWas wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:10 am
Driving with the E4's on both ends of the bike a few thousand km's , very happy with them till now. No info about durability yet, but the performance on wet is outstanding, trust me, i know :roll:
Thanks for your report GlimWas! I'm looking forward to posting my own report on the E4s. I ordered my new tires on Thursday afternoon and they arrived Friday morning with fast-free shipping from BikeBandit.com. I removed the front wheel this morning, had the new tire mounted & balanced at a local shop, and I'm out in my own shop now re-installing the front wheel. I'll post my opinions after changing out the rear tire and getting a few miles on the E4s! My thanks again to everyone who responded with their feedback on tires. And OK, I won't ask about your wet road story GrimWas. But I will ask you about this...

A two-wheel adventure over in your part of the world has long been on my bucket list. When the day comes, I'd probably start out in Ireland to visit my cousins there. Then across the Irish Sea to Wales to spend some time with friends in the UK; after which, time and wallet permitting, a ferry ride over to the continent and up to The Netherlands where we also have good friends to see. Now this is where I get back on topic with another GL1500 question...

When I asked my friend in the UK, to look into what it would cost me to rent a Goldwing over there for 4 to 6 weeks, he told me I'd be better off shipping my own bike over and when our adventure was over, I could probably sell my 1989 GL1500 over there for enough money to pay for the entire trip! Do you think such a plan is feasible? Please let me know?

And thanks again for the info you provided! ZT

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by GlimWas » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:10 am

Well, about driving in NL i can be fairly short; it sucks................ Not because of the bad scenery, but for the speedbumps every quarter mile if you are unlucky.
Of course there are nice roads over here, but beware of those bumps, some times they put them in the middle of a curve! :x
England i cannot say anything about for myself, but if i hear the stories of friends of mine, it's great.I'm going to Scotland next year to take a look over there. Germany is a fine country to drive as well, as are France and Austria, lots of off freeway roads with nice curves!

About the selling of your bike; an '89 1500 does about €3000 to €4000
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Post by ZTatZAU » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:48 am

Thanks for the info GlimWas!

Have fun! Be safe! ZT

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by themainviking » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:37 pm

hugger-4641 wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:19 am
Maybe I just got a bad pick, but I tried the Bridgestone a few years ago and they didn't last long. Best I can remember I got about 10k on the front and less than that on the rear. I went through a period where I tried some different tires to see for myself and here's the gist of what I've decided for me and my Aspencade ranked from worst to best in my opinion:

Shinko- Will never waste money on again. You get what you pay for, they were cheap, but I think I pulled them off around 6k due to out of round and cupping.
Kenda- Not much better than Shinko.
Bridgestone - Mediocre handling, mediocre wear, 10k or less
Michelin - Handled almost as good as Metzler, but the handling was worse near the end of the life of the tire, lasted about 10k.
Metzler- Best handling and best riding tire I've tried. They handled good right up until the end, but didn't last long. I think I pushed them to 12k but I probably should have pulled them sooner.
Avon- Good handling and a little better milage than Metzler or Michelin, but don't last as long as Dunlop.
Dunlop E-3- Overall the best I've found for milage. They don't handle as good as Avon or Metzler, but they're close and they last longer. I've worn out a few sets and they have lasted 13k to 15k.

I don't believe I have tried Goodyear or Pirelli yet. I am currently running an Austone Taxi tire on the rear and Avon venom rear tire on the front. I'll let you know my opinion of this when I get a few more miles on them. 8-)
Good info. I am however, surprised Michelin made middle of the pack, seeing as how they actually told Honda dealerships that they DO NOT make a tire for a Goldwing motorcycle. I would think that it would have gotten very poor service mileage, seeing as any Michelin would probably be too light a tire for the weight of Goldwings.
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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by hugger-4641 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:34 pm

I cannot remember for certain if it was Michelin M89X or Pilot radial that I bought online. I don't think either one is available any longer for the rear other than maybe some New-Old Stock on somebody's shelf. I also have not tried Continental yet, but after talking with Harley friends who run them, I wouldn't expect them to be any better than Bridgestone.

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by Goldwinger365 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:27 pm

I put Dunlap E4's on my 1500 this spring.We have put 7500 miles on them and they still look brand new. No scalloping on front or rear,tread depth is still almost 5/32 front and 8/32 rear. They corner excellent and have a glass like ride at highway speeds.The only complaint I have about them is between 25 and 40 mph,they are a bit noisey. But I think that's a fair trade off for the long wearing aspect of the tires so far.The bike is always ridden 2 up so it's carrying a fair amount of weight. Avon venoms last season lasted 5000 miles before scalloping,by 10,000 miles we couldn't stand the noise anymore, luckily it was November,so we put it away and bought tires over the winter.So far,very satisfied with the Dunlop E4 tire

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by jim34481 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:45 am

I like what you say. I just put E4s on my 97 1500 and have just over 1000 miles on them. So far I really like them. What air pressure are you running in the front and rear tires?
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Post by ct1500 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:54 am

I have run the E3's for many years and do so because the mileage one can attain with them wet handling and noise issues aside. Tires that can consistently give me over 20k miles per set is value. This well worn rear tire went 25.5k miles and currently have 14k on the front and 18k rear of my ride and with the $50 rebate just might pull the trigger for my E4's now. My tires and the tire work I do for others get a computer spin balance when installed just like from the factory. :D
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Post by ZTatZAU » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:53 pm

Thanks everyone for jumping in! I went with a set of Elite 4s and put them on this past week. The all in cost for the tires to my door was $328 with Dunlop's current $50 rebate which happened to be exactly what the local shop charged me ($25/wheel) to mount and spin balance the two new tires.

I swung up the trunk/bags to get to the rear end as per the 1500 DIY forum article. (Note! I too found it necessary to disconnect the right rear shock hose and to completely remove the rear crash bars.) I changed the final drive oil and the engine oil and filter. Took it for a short test ride when I got it all back together and then put about a 125 miles on it today over a variety of roads.

All I can say is, it's amazing what we can get used to! The difference going from the old E2's to the new E4's was indeed like day and night. I couldn't get over the feeling of how much effort it had been taking to make the bike do what I wanted it to do with those old E2's. I would describe the E4's handling as effortless. It really felt like a new bike! I have no complaints at all with the noise and only hope the E4's last as long as I've been told to expect.

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:07 pm

Have you lubricated the splines with moly60, when removed the tire?

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Post by ZTatZAU » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:44 pm

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Have you lubricated the splines with moly60, when removed the tire?
No Erdeniz, I did not. I probably should have but didn't. The bike only has 37k miles on it and as I recall the drive shaft should be lubed at 50k. I did buy new brake pads but the front and rear brakes both looked fine with lots of good use left in them. So I didn't change the brake pads either.

I'm not sure if it was the new tires or new final drive oil but the bike no longer has a particular whine that I noticed previously.

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:10 pm

ZTatZAU wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:44 pm
Erdeniz Umman wrote:
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Have you lubricated the splines with moly60, when removed the tire?
No Erdeniz, I did not. I probably should have but didn't. The bike only has 37k miles on it and as I recall the drive shaft should be lubed at 50k. I did buy new brake pads but the front and rear brakes both looked fine with lots of good use left in them. So I didn't change the brake pads either.

I'm not sure if it was the new tires or new final drive oil but the bike no longer has a particular whine that I noticed previously.

ZT
In a Honda document it is given as "lubricate the splines with Pro Honda Moly 60 (now moly 77) whenever the rear wheel is removed for any reason but not to exceed an interval of 16,000 miles" according to an article written by Stu Oltman.

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Post by ZTatZAU » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:18 pm

Thanks that's good to know Erdeniz! I bought the bike a couple thousand miles after its 20k scheduled servicing at a Honda dealership. So I'm still under the 16k mile rule but I'll get to it when it gets too cold to ride.

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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by ct1500 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:35 pm

ZTatZAU wrote:
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Thanks that's good to know Erdeniz! I bought the bike a couple thousand miles after its 20k scheduled servicing at a Honda dealership. So I'm still under the 16k mile rule but I'll get to it when it gets too cold to ride.ZT
Make sure you get that done this winter as they likely have never seen daylight. Lubing driveshaft splines is a service not included in the price a dealer will quote for replacing tires or anything else for that matter unless asked for.
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Re: 1989 GL1500: Dunlop Elite 4 OR Bridgestone Exedra

Post by GlimWas » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:25 am

With the supposed running life of these tires you wouldn't get to the splines until 30000 km's up the road......... That's a long way for dry splines :shock:
Usually it's done with every tyre change , but If the tires last that long i wil have to remove the rear wheel long before they are worn........ I hope i won't forget :lol:


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