Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.


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Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by bentleyss » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:06 am



New GW owner here. Well having owned my GL1500 for 2 months now I decided to install the improved shift pivot assy. When I first got the bike I thought I was mis-shifting a lot getting used to the bike, but as I read the forum more I realized that I was not totally at fault. I read the reviews and watched the video a number of times and finally ordered an installed the unit. It took about 1 hour 45 minutes including the eviction of a mouse house Imfound when I removed the side cover . I purchased the bike in Wisconsin and drove it back her to Florida. Guess he was going to visit his cousins in Orlando. The shift pivot is definitely worth installing and as I was doing it I found and repaired one missing cover pin and the shift rubber was missing, so I ordered one of ebay. Also,checked the two drain hoses in the photo and checked them and siliconed the rubber grommets . Great forum for the DIY's here. Thanks to all who took the time to write and photo the articles.
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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by DenverWinger » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:34 am

I'm getting ready to install my new pivot in my new-to-me 1500, too.

Some time when you dig a little deeper into your bike, you should check your air filter, there's a good bet that Mr. Mouse has been in there too. Already looked at mine, relatively clean (I'll replace it next time I'm in there) but I did find about a dozen dried-up things that looked like they might have been cherries at one time.... I didn't have any screen to cover the air intake with, but I'll be better prepared next time.

There's a thread in here somewhere with a collection of photos of what's been found in air filters......
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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by bentleyss » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:26 pm

Thanks Denver, going to order an air filter and have it ready. Have not checked that yet. Enjoy your Wing , I'm sure enjoying mine , just a little HOTTTTTTTTTTTTT down here in Florida to wrench on it after 11:00am . :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by bentleyss » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:01 pm

Late follow-up to DenverWingers reply to my post onMouse House Eviction. After finding the mouse nest in the engine a fellow subscriber her told me to check the air filter, well, after ordering a new air filter, fuel filter , and rear tire and wheel (craigslist find), I proceeded to dismantle the necessary fairing pieces to do the replacements. The air filter was fine, but, on top of my right rear saddlebag was Mr. Mouses second condo. Thanks DenverWinger and thanks to all the members here who took the time for the"How To's".. Air filter was pretty dirty, fuel filter was maybe original (from1995). Rear tie is now a Federal Formosa 195/55 -16. Also while doing all the changes I installed a batter trickle charger in the right saddlebag as I had the cable layin around on my bench and greased the splines and change the three Orings in the rear wheel . The gentleman whom I purchased the rear wheel from sold me a Tulsa tall with vent and gave me a second stock windscreen ....everything $60😁😁
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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by MikeB » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:21 pm

I'm curious, where are the nuts that are usually holding the pins in place on the drive coupler?
Looks like they have been off for some time as evidenced by the rust.


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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:54 am

MikeB wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:21 pm
I'm curious, where are the nuts that are usually holding the pins in place on the drive coupler?
Looks like they have been off for some time as evidenced by the rust.
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I can't remember a reason to remove those nuts.

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by bentleyss » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:53 am

The wheel was purchased off craigslist. I transferred the nuts from my other wheel. Just have to get to Hardware store for replacements on old wheel.

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by Corkster52 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:01 am

I was seriously considering installing a shift pivot kit on my bike when I asked for input from my friend Dbohrer from goldwingfacts.com. He asked me a question that sort of embarrassed me to answer honestly. His question was, "Are you preloading the shift lever before you shift each time?". Once he dumbed it down for me a little, I realized that I was not preloading (taking all of the slack out of the lever travel before I actually made the shift) and once I did the vast majority of my shifts went from clunk to click!

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by jim34481 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:22 am

Corkster52
Most of my shifts are a clunk. What is preloading the shifter and how do you do it?
Thanks
Jim

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:55 am

I am not sure what he is doing but, I have begun to use the marked section of my foot especially to shift from 1 to 2, by putting the heel little further on the foot peg when shifting, and it helped a lot.
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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by Corkster52 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:59 am

jim34481 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:22 am

Corkster52
Most of my shifts are a clunk. What is preloading the shifter and how do you do it?
Thanks
Jim
Jim, what you need to do each time you shift is lift your left foot under the shift lever, by pivoting on the foot peg, until you feel all of the slack gone in the lever's travel (basically before it shifts without the clutch), then, as you reach your desired rpm to shift, pull in the clutch lever and complete the shift for that gear. Then do the same for the remainder of the gears. It takes a bit of experimenting with rpm before shifting (I usually shift at 3000), but with some amount of practice you will find significantly less clunks. I still get an occasional clunk when going from 1st to 2nd, but very seldom do for the rest.

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by jim34481 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:41 am

Erdeniz/Corkster52
Thanks for the reply. I thought my clunky shifts were due to the age of the bike and mileage. I will try both of your suggestions to improve my shifts.
Jim

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:12 pm

Of course, with the shift pivot kit installed, there is virtually no slack to take up with the shifter preload. :)

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by MikeB » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:05 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:12 pm
Of course, with the shift pivot kit installed, there is virtually no slack to take up with the shifter preload. :)
And as an added bonus with the shift pivot installed and no slack in the shift shaft, you no longer have the premature wear of the shift shaft seal.
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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by Corkster52 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:58 pm

Both good points, but I had to do what I could for the time being.

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by kane67 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:32 pm

I have shifter pivot and always take slack off before shifting, it still was clunky 1-2 and to 4th gear.
I saw a comment of Mobil oil here and thought I'll try...
What a change.... now shifting is much much smoother, I can't believe it :D

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by Corkster52 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:12 am

kane67 wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:32 pm
I have shifter pivot and always take slack off before shifting, it still was clunky 1-2 and to 4th gear.
I saw a comment of Mobil oil here and thought I'll try...
What a change.... now shifting is much much smoother, I can't believe it :D
I always wondered if the oil itself might address this issue! Good to know

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Re: Shift pivot and mouse house eviction.

Post by Wingsconsin » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:39 am

In my opinion the shifter pivot is the most dependable and reliable way to address the sloppy shifting on a GL1500
The pre-load is one method but requires precise timing and may add stress to the seal around the shaft - it has been a time tested method for working around the problem - but not a solution.

Adding a new shift pivot without changing the seal is wasted energy - the seal is easy to get to and cheap to change -

New oil can help the shifting process internally - and may last a while - but the oil eventually gets worn and through a process (shear) loses some of it's ability - it also doesn't address the wobble in the shift linkage (externally) that wears the seal -

If you are having issues with the 4th gear shift - get a shift pivot before the shift fork is worn too badly - this is a known issue with the 1500s especially pre-97 ('97 is when the Valkyrie came out and many Wing parts were used in common and upgraded to accommodate the extra HP of the Valk)

Buy a shift pivot - change the seal - and enjoy

I did 3 GL1500's with mileages varying from 38K to 130K and ALL of them shifted better after the pivot installation.



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