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do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by tprender » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:15 pm



To begin with I have a '95 that just turned over 100,000 miles. The bike has been setting for a 2 weeks because of cold weather or being busy. I went out today to ride some being that it was warm. The bike started up but died when I was trying to get it warmed up, ran for about 10-15 sec and died. When I went to try and restart the bike the dash was not lighting up. It was on a battery tender for the last week or more. It was unplugged when I was trying to start the bike. I plugged the battery tender back in and let it set for 4 hrs. I just went out to look it over. The battery is showing 12+ volts. The main fuse on the starter solenoid and the dogbone fuse are good. I do hear kind of a ticking sound when I turn the key on and then off kind of coming from that area. I do now have a very faint light on the dash. When I turn the key on the voltage goes down to 4 volts. Did unplug the battery tender and the voltage stays up at 12+. The battery was 2 years old in July and it is a basic battery that the PO had put in the bike to sell it to me. I am guessing that it is the battery, but I don't want to go out and buy a new battery now. I would like to wait till spring if possible.



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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:25 pm

What brand and kind of battery are you using? Have you checked its electrolyte level if it is a lead acid battery?

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by Charlie1Horse » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:44 pm

Sounds like a bad connection on your battery. Check all the connections on both cables. Clean and tighten to be sure. If it cranks over but doesn't start up you may have another bad connection at the fuse box, or, possibly a relay that is going bad. Or maybe a loose connection under the kill switch. Have the battery load tested at an auto parts house.
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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by Corkster52 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:32 am

Might not be a bad idea to check all of the grounding connections, if you haven't already done so.

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by tprender » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:06 pm

Took the battery to the auto parts store to get checked and he said that it showed good. The battery is full of water, none of the cells were low. Put the battery back in the bike and turned the key on and the voltage goes down to 4 again. I don't know what to check next. I am not good with electrical stuff. I can fix other things but don't ask me to do electrical stuff. If it is a bad ground, where do I start looking for the grounding points? Or, could it be something else? when I turn the key on, I have nothing, the dash does not light up.

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:54 pm

How do you measure the voltage, do you use a multimeter or is there a voltmeter mounted on the bike?

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by tprender » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:28 pm

I have a very good multimeter that I am checking the voltage with.

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by Bluewaterhooker0 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:05 pm

If you have a VOM that reads 12.? V unloaded, and it then reads 4V loaded, you have a bad battery. You are reading at the battery posts I assume. It would not be the first time a battery was declared GOOD by a auto parts jockey, with questionable skills and a more questionable testing device. 4V is not weak, that is a dead, bad, no longer alive, ex-battery.

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by hugger-4641 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:32 am

Ditto what has already been said. If you see 4v under load, that battery is toast. You should see about at least 12.5v when charged and drop to about 10.5 during starting. I have seen mine go as low as 10v during starting, but below that, there is just not enough juice to start the bike.

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by Erdeniz Umman » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:50 am

It is not normal to have a dead battery in two years, if it is still under warranty, you could request a replacement.

Make sure the battery is good before doing anything on the bike.

A battery tender device uses low amps like 1-2A, that means you will need at least 10-20 hours to charge a battery. Actually it is not a battery charger, it is only for keeping the battery in charged condition.

Once a battery is discharged, some unwanted chemical reactions like "sulphation and electrolyte stratification" start in the battery cells that reduce the capacity of the battery. And if the sulphation has occurred, it is hard to recover the battery.

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by themainviking » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:31 am

Perhaps you could try replacing your battery with a known good one, even a jumped in car battery, to see if the problem persists. If it does, it ain't your battery - if the problem goes away, it is your battery. (by jumped in, I mean a car battery connected to the bike terminals with jumper cables.)
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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by tprender » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:28 am

I will try jumping the battery later today with my lawn mower if possible. The little that I know about batteries, I think that the battery is dead. A basic battery should only last about 2-3 years. I was going to get a new battery next spring when It was time to ride again.

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by tprender » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:26 pm

Went out and took the battery out of the riding mower, that time of the year anyway, and the put jumper cables to the bike. Turned the key and the dash lit up like it is supposed to. Pushed the start button and got the bike running for just a few seconds. From that I would say that I need a new battery. I will wait till next spring to buy one unless I can get a real good buy on one during the winter. Did put stuff in the gas the last time that I rode, so I then put the cycle cover on till next spring. Will check to make sure that the tank is full of gas in the next few days. Thanks for all of the help in finding my problem.

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Re: do I have a dead battery or ?

Post by WingAdmin » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:50 pm

When you replace the battery, you might want to look into replacing it with an AGM battery, instead of the wet-cell type you have in there now. They are a little bit more expensive, but our 1500's are power-hungry beasts, and the AGM feeds them much better (and lasts much longer) than old-style wet-cell batteries.

I have a MotoBatt in mine that I put in to replace my 6-year-old Yuasa, and it's been great.



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