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Re: Help....!

Post by DaveO430 » Tue May 08, 2018 6:08 am



terryt wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 5:26 am
Its a long shot but have you tested the gearshift sensor and the reverse switch also check the clutch switch it linked to the side stand switch and ignition
Way long shot, not possible it could be either of those. Obviously the gear shift sensor works or it WOULD NOT die when put in gear. The clutch switch only applies to starting & reverse switch applies to starting and reverse only.



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Re: Help....!

Post by terryt » Tue May 08, 2018 6:17 am

DaveO430 wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 6:08 am
terryt wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 5:26 am
Its a long shot but have you tested the gearshift sensor and the reverse switch also check the clutch switch it linked to the side stand switch and ignition
Way long shot, not possible it could be either of those. Obviously the gear shift sensor works or it WOULD NOT die when put in gear. The clutch switch only applies to starting & reverse switch applies to starting and reverse only.
Yes it is a long shot but he has problems with the clutch switch as he cant start it when in gear and it is linked to the side stand switch. this could the shorting out when released killing the engine

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Re: Help....!

Post by bellboy40 » Tue May 08, 2018 6:54 am

The connector for the gearshift sensor is C59. It is a black 6 pin connector located above the right side fan. As Dave said, it is not likely the trouble but you are grasping at straws now.

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Re: Help....!

Post by DaveO430 » Tue May 08, 2018 10:41 am

terryt wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 6:17 am

Yes it is a long shot but he has problems with the clutch switch as he cant start it when in gear and it is linked to the side stand switch. this could the shorting out when released killing the engine
No. The clutch switch is not linked to the side stand switch in that it has nothing to do with killing the engine. It's not that he can't start it in gear, it dies when he puts it in gear.
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Re: Help....!

Post by thompsoj22 » Tue May 08, 2018 12:09 pm

Geez, hey keep it simple! the clutch switch has been talking to you forever! not sure if this switch is normally open/closed but i'd bet it is the problem. the ecu is being trick fu'd that the clutch is out when placed into gear!

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Re: Help....!

Post by DenverWinger » Wed May 09, 2018 12:13 am

You could try "earthing" the Neutral contact on the gear position switch, First gear has no contact in the switch at all so you should be able to shift to first with Neutral connection earthed and the bike wouldn't know the difference. Neutral connection earthed tells all systems the bike is still in neutral. The gurus will tell where to find the easiest to reach the connection (no manuals handy)
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Re: Help....!

Post by DaveO430 » Wed May 09, 2018 6:03 am

DenverWinger wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 12:13 am
You could try "earthing" the Neutral contact on the gear position switch, First gear has no contact in the switch at all so you should be able to shift to first with Neutral connection earthed and the bike wouldn't know the difference. Neutral connection earthed tells all systems the bike is still in neutral. The gurus will tell where to find the easiest to reach the connection (no manuals handy)
Then the neutral light stays on all the time and what happens when he shifts to other gears that do have input to the ECU?
Guys, there is only 1 answer here, the clutch switch has nothing to do with it. He has checked that the side stand switch is doing it's job and there is continuity to the ECU. The only logical conclusion is that there is a lost connection inside the ECU. Personally I would take it apart and look for a cracked solder joint.

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Re: Help....!

Post by DenverWinger » Wed May 09, 2018 8:44 am

DaveO430 wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 6:03 am
Then the neutral light stays on all the time and what happens when he shifts to other gears that do have input to the ECU?
Only for a test to see if he could shift to first without killing the engine...
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Re: Help....!

Post by thompsoj22 » Wed May 09, 2018 12:01 pm

oop's, you were right that the clutch switch has nothing to do with this issue. started my bike on the center stand with side stand up and placed into second gear without an issue,"kept running" however performed the same test but with the side stand down and died immediately when placed into second gear. the side stand circuit is the issue. whether internal/external to the ecu. the clutch lever was not used in either test

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Re: Help....!

Post by terryt » Thu May 10, 2018 4:18 am

thompsoj22 wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 12:01 pm
oop's, you were right that the clutch switch has nothing to do with this issue. started my bike on the center stand with side stand up and placed into second gear without an issue,"kept running" however performed the same test but with the side stand down and died immediately when placed into second gear. the side stand circuit is the issue. whether internal/external to the ecu. the clutch lever was not used in either test
You must have had the clutch lever pulled in to get into 2nd gear with the side stand up or down!

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Re: Help....!

Post by thompsoj22 » Thu May 10, 2018 9:35 pm

terryt wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 4:18 am
thompsoj22 wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 12:01 pm
oop's, you were right that the clutch switch has nothing to do with this issue. started my bike on the center stand with side stand up and placed into second gear without an issue,"kept running" however performed the same test but with the side stand down and died immediately when placed into second gear. the side stand circuit is the issue. whether internal/external to the ecu. the clutch lever was not used in either test
You must have had the clutch lever pulled in to get into 2nd gear with the side stand up or down!
no, really, at an idle on the center stand with side stand up i can pull directly into gear without using the clutch lever and it engages and keeps running? same test, side stand down and dies immediately with clutch or without.

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Re: Help....!

Post by DenverWinger » Sat May 12, 2018 8:31 am

thompsoj22 wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:35 pm
no, really, at an idle on the center stand with side stand up i can pull directly into gear without using the clutch lever and it engages and keeps running? same test, side stand down and dies immediately with clutch or without.
It's SUPPOSED to die if you put it in gear with the side stand down, even if you pull the clutch.

Safety feature. This to prevent you from driving off with the side stand down. The old wings (1000,1100) didn't have this. Not sure on the 1200.
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Re: Help....!

Post by bellboy40 » Sat May 12, 2018 10:24 am

The 1200s will let you ride off with the side stand down also. Personal experience.... don't ask.



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