88 gl1500 will not start.


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88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby cabert » Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:18 pm



Help.

1988 gl1500
New battery
Newly rebuilt starter.
new solenoids.

I get good lights, etc. but will not start.
When hitting the starter button i can hear the solenoids clicking etc. but will not turn over.

Any help would be appreciated.



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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby dan1951 » Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:34 pm

Does Your headlight slightly dim with starter button depressed?

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby robb » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:05 am

Did you charge the new battery before use.

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:29 am

With a test LIGHT,probe the large wire at the starter,Push the start button,when it clicks,does the light 'light up bright'? If it does,the starter is bad,if not check both sides of the relay.One is hot from the battery,the other goes to the starter.

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby cabert » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:23 pm

Hi guys,

Headlight does slightly dim when i push the starter button.

Battery is charged and in good condition.

Had the starter tested by 2 different shops before it was installed.

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby trike lady » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:42 pm

I'm going to make a suggestion about checking the following switches in the starting system for 'continuity': The side stand switch, the clutch switch and the gear shift sensor. The BAS (Bank Angle Sensor) was under a 'Recall' was it changed? I'm going to ask a simple question and please do not be offended, is the 'Kill Switch' in the run position? It sometimes happens that the switch gets bumped to the off position or someone may have turned it.
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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby cabert » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:56 pm

trike lady wrote:I'm going to make a suggestion about checking the following switches in the starting system for 'continuity': The side stand switch, the clutch switch and the gear shift sensor. The BAS (Bank Angle Sensor) was under a 'Recall' was it changed? I'm going to ask a simple question and please do not be offended, is the 'Kill Switch' in the run position? It sometimes happens that the switch gets bumped to the off position or someone may have turned it.



I will not be offended by any help. I am completely stumped so I appreciate any assistance.


I will check all the switches you mentioned. I don't know if the BAS was changed.
I have checked the kill switch and clutch switch and they are functioning properly.

Thanks for the help.

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:11 pm

I don't want to sound stupid (again)but did you test light the main wire on the starter motor for power while trying to start it?
Yes I know the starter was tested 2 times(off the bike)I never assume anything anymore.
It's just one thing to verify and eliminate as a problem.
If there's no volts to the starter,then look into the switching.
If there's volts on the starter,The starter may be bad or the engine may be hydro-locked.

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby dan1951 » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:08 pm

The dimming of the headlight indicates there is a current draw when the start button is depressed, Using the test light is a very good idea, Unless You have access to a inductive ampmeter to clip on the secondary solenoid wire to see if there is a current draw. The run / stop switch will not keep it from turning over it just disables the ignition. Try grounding the starter case to the battery ground with a piece of at least 12GA. wire and try it, ground sources sometimes can be pretty weird. Good luck

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby cabert » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:10 pm

I used a test light (I am new to this so I first had to figure out what a test light was) and found that there is no power at the starter when trying to start.
The relay that is on the side of the battery case is "hot" on the side coming in from the positive battery terminal, but not the side going to the starter.

????

Also, I checked all the "safety" switches I could find. Clutch, side stand, etc...

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby dan1951 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:22 am

I,m a little confused on Your original post You said the relay was clicking, I took this as the starter relay (solenoid) if this is the case the solenoid is defective. If not check all Your fuses on the opposite side of the bike that deal with starter relay functions, The neutual light I take it is illuminated, No pun intended. With the clutch lever fully depressed try starting, If You have a electrical manual for the the bike start from the fuse box with the test light and work your way all the way to the solenoid coil, Very time consuming I know but thats the only way I know of checking a known circuit. Does the the bike have reverse? If so engage the lever all the way up and try the starter. Good luck

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:33 pm

Is the relay that you tested in fact the main relay that goes to the starter?The bike has 2 relays if it has a reverse.
Starter Relay A (4-RED) 2
Behind right side cover, forward
of battery
Starter Relay B (2-WHT) • . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 26
Behind right side cover, on lower
frame rail
Relay A needs to click to provide power to the starter.
Yes there are safety circuits that will stop it from clicking.
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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby cabert » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:19 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Is the relay that you tested in fact the main relay that goes to the starter?The bike has 2 relays if it has a reverse.
Starter Relay A (4-RED) 2
Behind right side cover, forward
of battery
Starter Relay B (2-WHT) • . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 26
Behind right side cover, on lower
frame rail
Relay A needs to click to provide power to the starter.
Yes there are safety circuits that will stop it from clicking.
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It is the main relay (Starter relay A). It will click one time only. Not repeatedly like they do if the battery is dead.

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:21 pm

I don't have a 1500,just the 1000,1100,and 1200.But each one of them starts by the same method.
Battery hooks to a heavy duty relay,the other lug goes to the starter motor.Energize the relay and the power goes to the starter motor and cranks it over.
If you have battery power on one lug and nothing on the other when the relay clicks,replace it.Be sure the battery lug keeps power on it.
Now this is a little sparky but you could get everything ready.Have someone push the starter button,VERIFY that the relay clicks,battery power on one post,then.....Use a screwdriver and short the two lugs together.This should crank the motor.
Go for it Sparky.

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby cabert » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:20 pm

Thank you to all for your assistance and support.

I took virgilmobile's advice and sparked it up. Nice show of sparks and the engine turned over.
I promptly removed the "new" starter relay and took it back to the shop that I bought it from. Turns out it was an after market relay that they had also had problems with. They replaced it with a OEM Honda relay, which is what i paid for in the first place!

Long story short; I was on the road 3 hours later.

Once again, thank you to everyone for your help.

Carl

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby viking2476 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:05 pm

i have the same probs with my 88 wing can you tell me wat relays to buy as i think mine are gone after i touched the frame with my spanner taking the positive cable off batterie instead of the neg one 1st how dumb am i .
wen i press starter button the relays on the fuse box click but nothing else does ,starter selenoid 1 and 2 do nothing ,i have swapped relays about etc no difference , i bought new carb control unit no difference same as wen i bought new ecu and starter selenoid .
i have bypassed watever the problem is by fixing a cable to the positive screw on the fuse box and running it to the blaxk and white cable that goes to the coils she starts then wen pressing the button but i dont want to run her like that i want her to run normaly before i buggered her up any help please would be most helpfull cheers dave.

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Re: 88 gl1500 will not start.

Postby SDFOS » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:33 am

1989 GL1500 I was working on had a no start after engine was warmed up starter relays just chattered after it cooled off a bit started up. After going through every thing
I found that the nut safety switch on the right side of bike screwed into the trans case was loosing ground when warm. When the relays chatter take a jumper wire from neg battery to switch should start if it dose replace switch. One wire held on with nut changed it and no more problem.




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