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automotive tire on 1500?

Postby hugger-4641 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:51 am



I was talking with a mechanic at a local bike shop recently and he mentioned he knew some one who had put an automobile tire on the rear of their Goldwing. He didn't remember if it was a 1500 or what. Has anyone tried this on a 1500 or heard of it being done?



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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby cbx4evr » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:31 am

It's been done lot's on a 1500 and numerous threads exist talking about it.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby dingdong » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:37 am

Yes, lots have gone over to the darkside.
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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby hugger-4641 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:47 am

Thanks for the response! I read thru several of the "Darkside" threads. I'm very interested in the extra milage since I ride my bike to work every day, 60 miles one way. With a bit of 2 up riding added, I'm putting 4000 to 5000 miles a month on this bike. I just put new E 3's on, so I've got a little time to do more research and make up my mind up whether I'll try "the Darkside" or not. Softer side wall is a definite concern for me. I live near a salvage yard and several construction sites, so there are always stray objects in the road waiting to jump up and bite a tire! I'll let you know if I do decide to go Dark!

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby MikeB » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:58 am

If I were you I would ask your insurance agent if installing a car tire would effect your insurance. In case of an accident, the first thing an adjuster looks at is the tire condition and type. Most likely it would void your insurance coverage if you were to fit a car tire on a moyorcycle. By the way, it does say in the GL1800 owners manual to NOT use a car tire on the moyorcycle. That statement alone puts the user in the hot seat when it comes to liability.
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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby cbx4evr » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:58 am

MikeB wrote:If I were you I would ask your insurance agent if installing a car tire would effect your insurance. In case of an accident, the first thing an adjuster looks at is the tire condition and type. Most likely it would void your insurance coverage if you were to fit a car tire on a moyorcycle. By the way, it does say in the GL1800 owners manual to NOT use a car tire on the moyorcycle. That statement alone puts the user in the hot seat when it comes to liability.



That's something I had not even considered on this subject. Insurance companies are always looking for ways to avoid paying a claim. That leaves you on the hook for any litigation against you.
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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby hugger-4641 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:41 pm

There are several posts concerning this in some other forums. The general concesus seems to be that there is no restriction on what tires you use. If it passes your state inspection, it should be legal and insurable unless specificaly excluded in your policy. I will definitely check my policy and verify with my own insurance company if I decide to try it. Most likely, any wreck I have is not going to be due to tire failure anyway, it is more likely to be from deer or another driver who doesn't see me.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby vtxcandyred » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:33 pm

I now have on my wing and have had on my VTX for several years a car tire on the rear. I have Amfam insurance and he states as long as the tire is built for hiway use its not a problem. Because they do make tires that are NOT for use on public roads. Try joining this site. Lots of information. http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/Alsohttp://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/andhttp://www.northamericangoldwings.com/all good sites and a ton of information and LOTS of opinions!!!!!!!!

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby rndvanderbilt » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:30 am

I went with a darkside tire on my 2000 Valkyrie Interstate, and on the flats or interstate, it was fine, pulling my fully loaded Bushtec trailer with my wife behind me it was still fine, and after about 14k miles, almost no wear was showing on the tire. BUT, I HATED the way it made my scooter handle at slower speeds and around town. I positively had to MUSCLE it around turns, and I'm a strong guy. Riding became a lot less fun. My Valk wasn't nimble any more. I didn't switch back, because after that many miles, I was wondering just how many miles I COULD get out of it. Unfortunately, I totaled the bike, so that was the end of that experiment. I wouldn't try it again, though.
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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby rndvanderbilt » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:46 pm

I meant to add that even though the wreck which totaled my Valkyrie was caused by my inability to stop in time, (for which I was duly cited) the insurance company (Geico) never balked. They paid full value for my wrecked bike, towing, storage, new helmet, even a new mesh jacket. They made mention of my having a "custom tire" in their report, but it didn't affect the payoff at all. They never even raised my rates, although that could be because I had 42 years of accident-free riding experience. Stay upright.
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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby robb » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:49 pm

Talked to my Farm Brueau agent in North Carolina yesterday. They say if it is a dot approaved tire it is acceptable and will not affect an outcome unless it is slick.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby pearlgreenwing » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:45 pm

All of you guys are talking about using a automobile tire on the rear. I have a trike and was thinking of placing a automobile tire on the front, but does anyone make such of a narrow tire?

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby robb » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:08 am

Back in the 70's I run volkswagon tires on both front and rear of my sporster. The problem with the front is it's 18" size. Buy a 15 or 16 and can get a tire to fit.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby hugger-4641 » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:09 am

Haven't found any automotive tires that would fit. But what I have heard is people putting a "rear" tire application on the front, in reversed rotation, and getting 15000 miles or more out of it.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby pearlgreenwing » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:30 pm

The guy that triked my bike also does tires on the rally circuit and he said that when I needed a front tire, that he would put a rear tire from a different bike on the front which would create a wider print and make it handle better also.
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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby BikerGuy » Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:50 am

How do you put a rear tire on the front when the front rim is narrower than the rear? Putting a rear tire on the front would probably cause the tire to hit the shock absorbers too, wouldn't it? So I can't see how that's possible... Maybe someone can enlighten me?

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby hugger-4641 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:06 pm

You can't put "THE" rear tire on the front, the front tire on a 1500 is an 18" rim and the rear tire is a 16" rim. What you do is get an 18" tire that is the correct size (or close enough to work) but is a "rear application" tire for a cruiser or other street bike. You install the tire in the reverse direction because there is no power being transmitted thru the front tire, thus the load stress on a front tire is oppossite direction than it would be on the rear.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby robb » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:38 pm

The closest I see is a 130/70-18. This is the same only a rear.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby richnhinners » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:16 pm

I understand putting a rear tire on the front but what is the point?
The front tire tread depth is the same or better as a similar tire
that is to say most rear tires have a max tread depth of 7/32 and the duro front i bought has 9/32
I would think that having the tires oriented to pump water away from the center of the tire while moving forward would be much more important
comments? suggestions?

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby BikerGuy » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:41 pm

The point is multi-faceted.

1 - Motorcycle tires are expensive, in the $175 to $225 range for a rear tire for the Goldwing
2 - Motorcycle tires get at most 15,000 usable miles, sometimes a little more.
3 - Because a motorcycle weighs less than a car, a car tire on the rear would get about 75,000 miles
4 - A car tire is half the cost

So in conclusion, you pay half, and you get 5 times the milage. Therefore, you pocket as much as $900 in savings! That's enough to get you anywhere in the country you want to go, including cheap motel and food!!


richnhinners wrote:I understand putting a rear tire on the front but what is the point?
The front tire tread depth is the same or better as a similar tire
that is to say most rear tires have a max tread depth of 7/32 and the duro front i bought has 9/32
I would think that having the tires oriented to pump water away from the center of the tire while moving forward would be much more important
comments? suggestions?

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby richnhinners » Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:15 am

No no I get the whole car tire on the back thing. what I don't understand is turning a rear tire around to put it on the front
the direction of rotation is still the same the tread depth is the same the tire pattern is even the same
Why turn it around?

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby hugger-4641 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:10 am

I don't have any info yet as far as differences in rubber compound between front and rear tires. I'm still digging, so if anyone can help with that info, I would appreciate it. But even if there is no difference in compounds, the stress on a rear tire is different. Front tires see stress only from braking where rear tires see more stress from acceleration than from braking and thus are designed accordingly. Side loading and weight are also typically heavier on the rear. So when you put a rear application tire on the front, you turn it around to take advantage of the stronger tire design. Now, when the front tire sees stress from braking, it is essentially the same as it would have been from acceleration on the rear. I haven't tried it yet but I'm told that you can get 30000 miles or more by doing this as oppossed to the typical 15000+- you would normally get from a front tire.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby BikerGuy » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:15 am

I think common sense comes into play here. It stands to reason that a car is twice to three times the weight of a motorcycle. Therefore, the compound in a car tire is harder, coupled with the fact that the treads are twice as deep as a motorcycle tire. On that basis, a car tire would far outlast a motorcycle tire when installed on the rear wheel of a Goldwing. This is why people put car tires on their bikes.

Does that make sense to you now? :D

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby hugger-4641 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:34 pm

Richnhiner's question and my response are not talking about the automotive tire. We are talking about putting a "rear application" motorcycle tire on the front of the bike. He doesn't understand how this would be of any benefit and I was trying to explain what that benefit was. My reference to different rubber compounds is a question I still have as to wether there is any difference between a motorcycle front tire and a "rear application" motorcycle tire. I suspect that "rear application" motorcycle tire may have a slightly harder compound than a tire of the same brand intended for front end use, but I have no evidence of this yet.

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Re: automotive tire on 1500?

Postby BikerGuy » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:57 pm

Ahhhhh! I misunderstood. Apologies! :o

The only thing I know about putting a rear tire on the front is this... There would not be room for it because the rear tire is wider and so it would hit the forks. That's what I've been told.

hugger-4641 wrote:Richnhiner's question and my response are not talking about the automotive tire. We are talking about putting a "rear application" motorcycle tire on the front of the bike. He doesn't understand how this would be of any benefit and I was trying to explain what that benefit was. My reference to different rubber compounds is a question I still have as to wether there is any difference between a motorcycle front tire and a "rear application" motorcycle tire. I suspect that "rear application" motorcycle tire may have a slightly harder compound than a tire of the same brand intended for front end use, but I have no evidence of this yet.




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