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No start

Postby Gsquared » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:52 pm



My Goldwing was purchased after someone else that had laid it down on it's right side and it will not crank over after charging the battery. The neutral light will not come on during lamp test or after when we know it is in neutral. Is there a safety switch somewhere I need to reset? There doesn't appear to be any physical damage to the engine and the gears shift fine when we roll it back and forth. Everything else seems to work. 1998 GL1500 SE 50th Anniversary Edition, 10,290 miles.



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Re: No start

Postby landisr » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:35 pm

More specifically, does the starter engage and spin the motor, or does it just 'click', or does just 'nothing' happen when you press the starter?

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Re: No start

Postby Gsquared » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:01 pm

It does nothing. If the headlights are on bright I noticed the brights indicator will go out when I push the start switch.

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Re: No start

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:41 am

Isn't there a "bank angle sensor" on it? It will kill it. Here's some pix,Hope it helps.
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Re: No start

Postby landisr » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:58 am

I just re-read your original post. I think that you should first replace (don't just check) the neutral bulb. Simple things/assumptions like that can very easily derail or at least extend debugging and repair. You can do this by just removing the dash panel that surrounds the ignition switch. If you have big hands, ask your wife or someone to help you. Just reach up under the dash and unplug the bulb/socket and replace the bulb. Next, you need to try engaging and dis-engaging the reverse to possibly reset the switches involved there. Further testing of them and also all the relays involved in the starting system will require more advice from the experts here. Now is also the time to shop for a service manual.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

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Re: No start

Postby thrasherg » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:18 pm

I would strongly second Landisr's suggestion. Replace the neutral bulb and make sure that the neutral selector is working. Then start debugging from there..

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Re: No start

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:28 pm

The neutral light won't power up until the '''main ignition relay''' is energized.It can be killed by a bad BAS,or wiring to it ,ergo the wiring diagram as the first test point.See if there is electric past the relay or if it at least clicks .

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Re: No start

Postby Gsquared » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:31 pm

I looked for the tilt angle sensor and did not find it where it is pictured. The neutral bulb is something I had thought of but did not know how to get in there. Thanks, I will try that. I have a manual on the way but living in the great frozen north it will take about ten days to get here. I did find that there were some loose connections in the wiring harness this morning and now the start relay in the fuse box clicks at least.

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Re: No start

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:55 pm

Great to hear that there is life.Here's a link to another post dealing with the same problem and has some of my posts with schematics.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8190

Look under the "MANUALS" section for a PDF download for your bike.Remember the schematics are for all 1500 models so some may not apply.

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Re: No start

Postby Gsquared » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:34 pm

Well I undressed the bike so I can get at the wires and found the BAS and jumpered it out to no avail. I then replaced teh neutral indicator bulb and found it has 12 vdc going to it with the key on. I then removed the enclosure over the gas tank and found a set of wires sticking under it that are torn out from somewhere, see attached picture. I am certain this is contributing to the no start situation. I will have to figure out where they came from and fix that before I procede.
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Picture of wires I found hidden under the enclosure.
Picture of wires I found hidden under the enclosure.

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Re: No start

Postby Gsquared » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:36 am

Well it has been a learning experience. I found the loose wires had the same colors as the speaker wires which leeds me to believe they are for audio controls. This weekend I found the starter relay and put 12v directly to the starter and the motor would only turn a very little bit and roll back when the power was removed. Finally the light came on. The bike may have been laying on it's right side longer than I anticipated and the right cylinders were hydrolocked. I pulled the spark plugs and cranked it over and got a huge squirt of oil from cylinder number one. I cranked it over a few times and dried everything off and cleaned the plugs and put them back in. Low and behold the neutral light also came on then.
The bike started right up and I got to drive it around and everything seems to work fine.

Thanks for your help guys!




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