88 gl1500 electroluminescent saddle bag lights??


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88 gl1500 electroluminescent saddle bag lights??

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:35 am



My 'new to me' 88 has saddle bag lighting that do not light.I found a "black box" behind the right tail light that operates the lights.The best that I can figure is that it is a EI power supply for the (I'm guessing) electroluminescent strips.The panels are sealed and no standard lamp is visible.

Question....Is there a current,suitable replacement power supply?

Perhaps from some "new" bling lighting?
I suspect that the original would develop 100 vac at 1500 cps to light the panels.just guessing ,that was a long time ago when I worked on the early lcd lighting.



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Re: 88 gl1500 electroluminescent saddle bag lights??

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:19 pm

It's actually closer to 60 VAC. Believe it or not, it's an actual Honda item that they tried on the early 1500's, but gave up on it quickly. The inverter boxes failed quickly, and the EL strips faded in brightness fairly rapidly. You're better off ripping it out and replacing with LEDs.

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Re: 88 gl1500 electroluminescent saddle bag lights??

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:39 pm

Yea,that's kinda impression I'm getting.After looking at the light fixture,I find it's very thin,maybe 1/2".
This makes me wonder that if I put in a strip LED unit,I may end up with a bunch of red dots along the foot length rather than a uniform lighting.
I wonder if I could manipulate a CCFL lamp in there?
The local computer store has red CCFL lighting about 10'' long with the power supply for $6 each.
I'll ponder it a while.

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Re: 88 gl1500 electroluminescent saddle bag lights??

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:11 pm

I found a couple pictures online of the EL components:

Electroluminescent panel
Electroluminescent panel


Inverter
Inverter


Rudy (of Rudy's kits) used strips of LEDs in his, I don't think they look too bad:

Two rows of LEDs inside lens
Two rows of LEDs inside lens


I was trying to think of a way to use some sort of opaque lining that would help spread the light more evenly, but there's just not enough room in there to do it, really. Tons and tons of LEDs would work, I guess.

I was thinking of doing the same thing as Rudy did, except my idea was to bond the LEDs to the inside of the lens, rather than to the back of the light unit.

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Re: 88 gl1500 electroluminescent saddle bag lights??

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:35 pm

Maybe a diffuser panel from one of the old laptop screens.I've got a couple cracked ones somewhere.
I just have this aversion to a bunch of tiny red dots lining the bike.Reminds me of the stuff you get from Wal Mart that some stick all over their cars.
I'd prefer a smooth glow for a marker and leave the 'blind the driver behind me' to the super bright strip brake light .http://www.rimindustries.com/product-p/psr00xrr.htm
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Re: 88 gl1500 electroluminescent saddle bag lights??

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:02 pm

Here's something I noticed. I have replacement lenses that I bought on eBay for my side bags, as the ones I have are cracked in a couple places. Notice the center part is the reflective part, which is full of triangles with molded right-angles designed to reflect light back to its source. The outer part of the lens consists of little half-spheres, designed to collect light from a nearby light source (i.e. a light bulb) and present it as a pinpoint of light. Note how the reflector reflects the light from the camera flash:

Lens closeup
Lens closeup


When I put a flashlight behind the lens with half the flashlight under the reflector part and the other half under the spheres, the reflector part of the lens does just that - it reflects the light from the flashlight back into the light enclosure instead of emitting it to be seen. Only the part of the lens with the spheres actually collimate and pass light through. This picture is with no flash turned on:

Lens with light behind it
Lens with light behind it

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Re: 88 gl1500 electroluminescent saddle bag lights??

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:08 pm

OK , here's the progress on the lights.I got the EL lights light and they are dim.So I chose CCFL because of the cost and light dispersion .Here is the preliminary pictures.Tonight I'll silver the inside of the case for better light dispersal.Maybe even use some glitter paint it break it up some more.It it necessary to cover the light facing the lens to prevent a bright strip.This method is also used in laptop computer screens to direct the light.
I bought the CCFL at a local computer store.It's add on bling and was cheep.I also noticed that the power supply has 2 outlets....although , for the cost and wiring,I'll use one for each side.They do run on 12 volt,so it's plug and play :D
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