Starting Issues


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colwalt
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Starting Issues

Postby colwalt » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:59 pm



My 1989 Gl 1500/6 has an odd behavior. I can and have put in a new battery and for a time the bike starts fine. Then after a few months the bike will not start. Seems to have plenty of turn and it is getting gas, but simply will not start. Also, the batteries in the past have actually gotten hot enough to melt some of it around the terminals. If I put a new battery in the bike is fine and this starts all over again. I do not ride much due to surgeries this year but seem to be going through two to three batteries a year. Also, I have a professionally installed Daytona 2x2 sidecar. Getting expensive and also a real let down when I want to ride and it has decided to die.
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robb
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Re: Starting Issues

Postby robb » Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:23 pm

Sounds like alternator could be going out. Mine would not keep the battery charged and tests showed it to be an intermitten charge. Never seen headlights dim or loose the instruments, but after a couple hours of riding it did not want to crank. Output was enough to keep bike running but not enough to charge battery.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby colwalt » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:38 pm

Out in a new alternator last February. I guess it could be going out again. I put a new battery in today and it still will not start. Turns real pretty though, and coughed once. None of the Honda dealers in the area will work on it.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby redial » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:06 pm

Why not take your current alternator to an auto electrician to have them test it out. Leave it on your outfit, and take the whole lot down so that they can test it while everything is operating. These specialists have some good techniques to find out what the problems could be in your case. Worth a try.
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colwalt
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Re: Starting Issues

Postby colwalt » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:24 pm

Sounds like a good idea. Will need to call AAA and get it towed, too wide to place on most regular trailers, nearly 8 ft. Apprecaited the input from everyone.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby robb » Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:41 am

If it got hot enough to start melt at battery it is likely there was load melting to other areas. May be a bad engine control module (ECM) sending weak fire to coils. There is also an ignition pulse generator (pickup coil) that sends signal to ECM that controls fire to coils. A melted wire bleeding to ground will cause a drain on battery over time and can surely disable the starting circuit. Check fuse # 11 for alternator or try to start while pulling in the clutch lever, and I know you dont use it but check the side stand switch.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby colwalt » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:01 pm

Beats rolling it out into the yard and setting it on fire :D . I will get AAA to tow it to this shop I use. The guy is a Harley mechanic but he has been known to show me some pity for my wayward ways of buying a " rice burner " I did check the fuses, but the melting in other areas is not something I had thought of. It is turning good enough to start it but still will not, so that is a possibility. Much appreciated . I have a slogan put on the trunk " Motorcycles are hazardous to your wealth "... true,, true,, :lol:

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby colwalt » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:19 pm

On a fluke I went out to the garage and turned the key the bike fired up. I rode it into town and came back a different way ant it ran
beautiful, about forty miles all total. Now that is today, hard saying what it will do tomorrow. I had an old car once that had when the mechanic called a traveling short. It acted just like this. We never could find the short on the car so that concerns me. When this Goldwing runs it is the greatest ride I have ever had and I have rode and owned bikes since I was 14. My Mom and step dad ( both 80 ) own a Harley Sportster and I would not trade this for three of them when it runs.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby trike lady » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:25 pm

Did the bike have this problem before the sidecar was installed? or has it shown up after the installation? I'm thinking wiring.
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colwalt
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Re: Starting Issues

Postby colwalt » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:09 pm

The original owner is deceased and I purchased this off of his family. The sidecar was already on it. They did not report any problems and everything on the sidecar appears to work well. Still worth checking it out. Could be they other people just did not mention it.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby robb » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:13 am

They may ocassionally give problems but that is the price we pay for owning an American made bike. May be a rice burner company, but even a Harley mechanic must respect the fact it was built in the USA. Have a similar problem with my 86 Alfa Spider. It sat for 3 years because it would not start, turns over with no fire. Out of the blue it cranks and runs great until one day in 2003 it happens again. Half dozen mechanics and no problem found. It has been in garage for nine years and I still try to crank it every day. For a car that has seen 150+ mph on the long stretch at Virginia Speedway I'm keeping hopes alive.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby colwalt » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:58 am

My Tundra was built in Texas and my Chev. Malibu in Mexico. So I know what you are saying. I also know that I love the way the Goldiwng rides. I have what is referred to as " paratrooper kness" a messed up shoulder, three fusions in my neck and lower back injury and I went to the Goldwing because of the comfort. I can ride 200 miles and get off and still feel good. The three wheels ( side car ) was my daughters idea. She is a nurse and worried about my knees locking up and me falling over at a stop light. I fused, but then she reminded me she would be the one picking out my nursing home one day ,,, so I gave in,,,, :lol:

Good luck with the spider. I understand the feeling you have about it. Why I hang on to the Goldwing.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:21 am

robb wrote:They may ocassionally give problems but that is the price we pay for owning an American made bike. May be a rice burner company, but even a Harley mechanic must respect the fact it was built in the USA. Have a similar problem with my 86 Alfa Spider. It sat for 3 years because it would not start, turns over with no fire. Out of the blue it cranks and runs great until one day in 2003 it happens again. Half dozen mechanics and no problem found. It has been in garage for nine years and I still try to crank it every day. For a car that has seen 150+ mph on the long stretch at Virginia Speedway I'm keeping hopes alive.


My brother has a Spider of about the same age (he bought it "for his wife" but she hates it and he's the only one that drives it, so we know exactly who he really bought it for). It has a neat feature wherein you press the gas pedal down, then let up on it, and sometimes it instead just stays down of its own accord. Makes it very exciting to drive.

It has this bizarre linkage where it uses a torque-tube like setup to connect the pedal to the throttle. I've looked at it, my dad has looked at it, neither of us can see where it is binding up. And it only happens sometimes. He just puts up with it.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby robb » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:17 pm

Alfa's had a few gremlins that rear their heads then hide again, but at 1740 lbs and 180 hp at rear tires it is a blast. New headers for when it cranks again. When I got the Wing it had to take a back seat, but it is a bigger thrill on a curvy mountain road. For driving the posted speed it is a big letdown. Yep, the wing has it beat.

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Re: Starting Issues

Postby colwalt » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:26 am

My daughter lives not far from Cherokee N.C. I plan to ride the Smokey Mountain Parkway up there one day. Love those curvy roads. With the sidecar it is a different experience, but still fun.




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